file sharing

[stephan schutter]

OK, I know how to configure samba. I use it as a server and a client at
home. However, I work for a very large company that likes bulls eyes. There
is no way that the 2400 Windows admins are going to rebuild the
infrastructure to suit Linux. Linux has to fit in to the architecture, and
not the other way around. Period. I will bet you money that this is true
elsewhere as well. It's AD, DDNS, WINS, SMB CIFS, and Exchange -- and that
will not change for a long time. 

So no more soap boxes please. 

Let's be pragmatic:
-- Do we want Linux on the desktop?
	If NO then do nothing and stick to current practices.
	If YES then users ET. All. Need to Like Linux and not get frustrated
by it. I put in the time and effort to learn Linux, but I do not know many
that are willing to work that hard. 

-- How can people be made to like Linux even if they are not freedom
fighters or tech hobbyists? 

Let us start here.


-----Original Message-----
From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Epps, Aaron M.
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:47 PM
To: 'fedora-test-list at redhat.com'
Subject: RE: file sharing

    Good point, there's a careful balancing act that has to be done when you
(Fedora) consider automatic configuration vs. ease of use.  Microsoft has
chosen the latter of the two and look where it got them, the next Windows XP
service pack that's coming out is going to clamp down on all of the
services/ports that are left wide open by a default Windows XP install
because M$ has been getting burned by several different virus/worms.
    I think the Fedora project has chosen to give everyone a secure
installation by default, if you want to open up your system to the world
after the fact that's your choice.  Again, there is no "hacking" involved in
setting this up, unless you consider using a CLI and editing config files
"hacking".  Also you must keep in mind that Samba has to reverse engineer
everything to work with AD, which M$ stole from Novell, and that is by no
means a trivial task.  I'd say if you really wanted to demo to your company
the power/flexibility/freedom of Linux to setup a Samba server as a domain
controller.  Then try using the GUI Samba Authentication tool and see if it
works... I bet it would.

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From: marc.mcswain at academy.com [mailto:marc.mcswain at academy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:23 PM
To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com
Subject: RE: file sharing



While I think that this is a bit, ok, way off topic, this thread seems to be
the kind of thing that I hear all too often.  People in a Micro$oft world
are used to the software doing everything for them.  I choose to use Linux
because it does not try and do everything for me.  This way I can choose the
way things are setup, and what security risks that I am willing to deal
with.  FC1 will attach to Windows Shares with no problems, and Samba will
use Micro$oft AD for Security, we use it every day.  Does it take some
configuration, yes.  Is that too much to ask of an admin, no. 

OK, I will get off my soapbox now. 

Marc 



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This is just my point, though; why all this hacking to get this working? The
experts in the community (or RedHat) could set it up right to start with.
Customer / Client supplies data needed (NT domain name and credentials) then
voila! 

You know, the more you do FOR the user the more the user LIKES you. And it
is within the scope of Fedora to make a great desktop product eventually,
right?

I am relaying FEEDBACK to this list. From several people; current IT people
(MS based as most are) and end users, and managers... Learning is expensive.
I was hoping that Fedora as a project would appreciate feedback from
non-Linux admins.

Stephan