[Bug 154763] Grub is inadequate without Lilo for backup

[Guy Fraser]

On Wed, 2005-20-04 at 08:23 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Mike Bird <mgb-fedora at yosemite.net> said:
> > On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 22:03, Rodd Clarkson wrote:
> > > Of course, in all this, keep your mind open.  You might find that by
> > > pointing out a specific, definable short coming of grub the developers
> > > may choose to get grub up-to-snuff rather than include lilo.
> > 
> > Been there, done that.  As have many others on this list and elsewhere. 
> 
> No, you haven't come up with any specifics.
> 
> > Number one is lack of reliability
> 
> 1. In what cases is GRUB unreliable?  Define the cases (number and types
> of drives, install methods, etc.).
> 
> > followed by lack of predictability
> 
> 2. In what ways is GRUB unpredictable?  Define the cases (number and
> types of drives, install methods, etc.).
> 
> > which is largely a consequence of lack of documentation.
> 
> 3. I have found GRUB to be well documented; "pinfo grub" has tons of
> information.  Please cite specific shortcomings of the documentation.
> 
> > Experienced programmers and sysadmins report that we need Lilo for
> > reliable systems.
> 
> I'm an experienced programmer and sysadmin, and I haven't touched LILO
> for about 4 years.  GRUB has worked just fine for me.
> 
> > The flame kids have countered with "Works for me",
> 
> You have countered with "I prefer LILO" and flamed Red Hat and
> individual people by calling names.
> 
> Until you answer numbers 1, 2, and 3 above, you have done nothing to
> show that LILO is needed.  

OK.

1) If I spend the time to test GRUB on FC4t2, and discover the 
same problems still exist, that I have seen before and can not 
resolve the issue using the wonderful info documentation, are 
you saying you would then consider LILO to be needed.

2) One of the problems with the documentation may be that it 
requires pinfo. If the documentation was put in HTML format 
it would be *MUCH* easier to use. I have heard many people 
who find pinfo very difficult to use, and prefer to avoid 
info documentation all together. I don't care for it myself 
but can use it, when necessary.

3) What can you do about getting LILO reinstated if it can be 
demonstrated that it will work in situations where GRUB will 
not.


> All you have done is act like a small child,
> stomping his feet and yelling "I want LILO", ignoring every adult
> telling you why you don't need LILO.
> -- 
> Chris Adams <cmadams at hiwaay.net>
> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
> I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.