Crippling Gnome-power-manager, Why!

[Jonathan Berry]

On 2/15/06, Jesse Keating <jkeating at j2solutions.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 23:38 -0500, Jim Cornette wrote:
> >
> > Susend now shows on the menu but shutdown now is missing after killing X
> > with ctl-alt-backspace.
> >
> > lockscreen
> > logout jim
> > Suspend
> > (no shutdown displayed)
> >
> > There is some progress. Maybe things will be as designed after the
> > relabel and reboot.
>
> This is by design at this point.  Upstream(?) feels that shutdown
> shouldn't be an option, just suspend.  Personally I think that's a load
> of crap, but that's just my personal opinion.  I have to use shut down a
> lot w/ my laptop since hibernate isn't working and my laptop will eat
> the battery in very short time if I leave it suspended and unplugged.

Whoa, when did this happen?  At the moment, I still have a Shutdown
option rather than suspend and I didn't see anything Gnome related in
the update I just did (nothing obvious, at least).  I would have to
agree with you; you should be able to shut down from the menu.  As
Jeff notes, you cannot change kernels without rebooting (unless we get
Xen really working...).  And as you note, suspend still uses some
power and it is fairly likely that suspend or hibernate will not work
properly on some (most?) systems.  I think the work on it is great and
maybe one day things will all work well enough to rely on it, but why
take away the nice Shutdown menu option?  I assume you could still do
a CLI shutdown, but that requires root (Or does it?  man reboot seems
to imply that users can use shutdown, halt, and reboot (when logged in
locally).  I could test it, but that makes it difficult to finish this
email...).  This is not something I wish to see come up hundreds or
thosands of times on the Fedora users list... : )

Jonathan