2010-01-18 @ 16:00 UTC (11am EST) - Fedora QA Meeting Recao

James Laska jlaska at redhat.com
Mon Jan 18 21:39:23 UTC 2010

As always, wiki version (along with irc transcript) available at

= Attendees =

People present (lines said)

* jlaska (141)
* wwoods (30)
* adamw (22)
* kparal (21)
* Viking-Ice (8)
* nirik (5)
* cwickert (5)
* zodbot (4)
* RodrigoPadula (3)
* buggbot (1)
* abadger1999 (1)
* tk009 (1)


* [[User:liam]]
* [[User:rhe]]

= Agenda =
Proposed meeting agenda]
[http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-18/qa.2010-01-18-16.00.html meetbot summary]

== Previous meeting follow-up ==

* maxamillion bring back conversation about Xfce 4.8 updato on
xfce at lists.fp.o and inform about conclusion
** No updates, save for next week

* Viking-Ice write lxde tests and find a date for the test day
** Created [https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/46 ticket#46],
agreed to move future discussion to the ticket

* cwickert to file an infrastruture ticket for the lxde mailing list
** https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/lxde

* adamw and rhe to discuss ways to add install testing as a QA activity
** [[User:rhe|Hurry]] created a new install test home at
[[QA/Installation_Test]].  The idea is to have that big explanatory
page, and a bit in the 'joining' page which would link to it
** Adamw would look for possibilities to propose integrating the new
home with the existing [[QA:Fedora_13_Install_Test_Plan]].

* jlaska to reach out to beland for guidance/ideas on how to document
the process (or point to existing documentation) for how bugs are noted
(common_bugs, release notes, install guide etc...) How to determine
which bugs land in which place?
** Yuck, no traction on this task, jlaska will get things rolling with
this task.

== Security Policy Update ==

On Friday's FESCO Meeting, Adam and Will responded to questions
concerning building project-wide consensus around a security policy for
Fedora (see FESCO [https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/297

Adam informed the group that FESCO kicked it back to the QA team with a
promise that if we come up with some kind of draft policy, people who
have a clue about security will be gracious enough to review it.  So as
far as FESCo is concerned the next thing that happens is I come back
with a draft privilege escalation policy in hand.

Adam noted he would draft something quick'n'dirty using
[http://spot.livejournal.com/312216.html Spot's famous blog post] as a
foundation, then seek QA team review before approaching FESCO.

== fedora-release-rawhide ==

[[User:wwoods|wwoods]] noted that a new fedora-release-rawhide package
may impact how we document opting into (and out of) testing rawhide via
yum (see [[Releases/Rawhide#Testing_Rawhide]]).

Nirik offered updates to [[Releases/Rawhide]] to help explain how to
activate the rawhide repos.  Jlaska suggested that testers on
test at l.fp.org would no doubt be able to help review the recommendations.

== AutoQA project update ==

=== rpmguard package comparison ===

* Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%20update
* Owner - [[User:kparal]]

''Last week''
* the small task ahead is to start sending output to autoqa-results and
address any issues that surface

''This week''
* Test results are now sent to autoqa-results, the next large step
is ...
* Continue discussing and start requirements gathering for a more formal
method for collecting and presenting package update test results (see

=== Deps/conflicts prevention ===

* Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/autoqa%
* Owner - [[User:wwoods]]

''Last week''
* working w/ lmacken to figure out how to gather information for a
''post-bodhi-update'' trigger

''This week''
* lmacken working an API change into the next release of bodhi
* A close to working depsolv test case (see
[http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=blob;f=tests/depcheck/depcheck]) is available.  Further clean-up needed.

=== install automation ===

* Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Automate%
* Owner - [[User:lili]], [[User:rhe]]

''Last week''
* [[User:lili]] and [[User:rhe]] have started exploring test design
using the rats_install/install.py test as a starting point.

''This week''
* Continue working towards a single python test that will automate a DVD
* Publish test code using either a public git branch, code on a people
page, just a local git checkout

=== packaging/deployment ===

* Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Packaging%20and%
* Owner - [[User:jlaska]]

''Last week''
* Looking for autotest-client help with reviewing the package
* Scope out effort required to package autotest, gwt (BuildRequires) and
all of it's BuildRequires - see [[User:Jlaska/gwt]]

''This week''
* Continue to harden the next-steps for JARs in the ''uncertain'' (see
* Attempt to rework some directory permissions as requested in
autotest-client review

Current status on packaging:
* autotest-client - undergoing review - {{bz|548522}}
* autoqa - packaged (see
autoqa-0.3-2.fc12.src.rpm]), will submit once autotest-client is
* gwt-* - Still scoping out packaging needs (see [[User:Jlaska/gwt]])
* autotest - packaged (see
autotest-0.11.0-4.el5.src.rpm], will submit for review after gwt*

== Open discussion - <Your topic here> ==

=== When is the next F-13 milestone? ===

Wwoods asked  when the next scheduled rawhide install image drop was
(see [[#Upcoming QA events]] below (2010-01-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide
Acceptance Test Plan #1).  See
[https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3277 rel-eng ticket#3277] for

Jlaska also noted that anaconda-13.16 (plus
http://clumens.fedorapeople.org/updates.img) had recently gone through
an automated rats_install test run.  For results, see

= Upcoming QA events =

* 2010-01-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
* 2010-01-28 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
* 2010-02-04 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
* 2010-02-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #1
* 2010-02-11 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' (boot media testing)
* 2010-02-12 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #2

= Action items =

* jlaska - reach out to beland for guidance/ideas on how to document the
process for how bugs bubble through different release documents
* adamw to build on the famous spot security blog post and draft
something quick'n'dirty for QA review
* nirik intends to update the [[Releases/Rawhide]] wiki page to reflect
the changes (help appreciated)

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