Not too impressed with the quality of F14 at this time

[Michal Jaegermann]

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 08:38:26PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 13:24 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 03:53:01PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 15:34 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 10:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > There would probably be more bugs reported with suspend if the 'components' 
> > > > > field in bugzilla had a place to put them.
> > > > 
> > > > suspend bugs are almost always kernel bugs.
> > > 
> > > to clarify (based on IRC discussion): bugs where suspend fails entirely
> > > are usually kernel bugs (or sometimes graphics driver bugs). bugs where
> > > something behaves badly on suspend/resume - say, an app doesn't work
> > > right after resume - are usually bugs in those apps.
> > 
> > There is also 'pm-utils' in this picture although a border between
> > 'kernel' and 'pm-utils' packages may be here not that sharp.
> 
> pm-utils doesn't do an awful lot and usually does it right; it's rare
> for a bug to be there. occasionally a workaround needs to be put into it
> for some problem or other, but that's pretty rare these days.

See, for example,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624316
which kills video after suspend on a particular laptop running F12
and F13 but which maintainer does not want to touch.  There is a
patch there.  It can be argued that this is a kernel bug but in
practice that does not help very much.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546994 is still NEW.

   Michal