[Test-Announce] Fedora 15 Alpha TC2 Available Now!

James Laska jlaska at redhat.com
Wed Feb 16 18:13:34 UTC 2011

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 18:21 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:30:31 -0500, James wrote:
> > If you add "askmethod" and it segfaults/crashes ... that's a bug.  I'd
> > like to see this issue fixed.  I don't believe "askmethod" is going
> > away,
> > In the meantime, can you provide some more information on the
> > segfault/crash?  Even better, please file a bug with the crash
> > information.  This is one that needs to be resolved.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/678086
> > > The linked Wiki pages are like a maze where I go in circles trying to
> > > find info about how the DVD ISO image may be used.
> > 
> > That's likely because this is still before the Alpha.  Adjusting the
> > documentation to match reality is something we'll need to get lined up
> > for the installation guide.  Which pages were confusing?
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
> already is intimidating. Even more so with the growing "References"
> section at the bottom and when uncollapsing the tables.

Thanks for the feedback.  Testing the installer, among many components,
can be complicated and involve a lot of different scenarios (not all of
which we articulate on the wiki).  Conveying the plan through the wiki
presents a challenge.  The method currently used has matured over
several releases based on feedback from participants, but we know it's
not perfect.  If you have ideas for improvement ... feel free to
copy'n'paste content into your personal space (e.g.
User:Mschwendt/draft) we can play around with ideas.

The intended audience for that page is not the casual tester.  It's
aimed at those who are actively involved in contributing test feedback
for the installer.  And as you point out, relies on some experience
modifying wiki.  Hurry is working on something that we can use instead
of the wiki to manage that workflow
(https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/152).  But in the meantime,
we do our best to monitor install test runs on the wiki.

The "References" section intentionally expands as we do more testing.
While we aren't dead-set on this approach, it was something we tried in
F-14 to eliminate listing duplicate issues on the page.  The References
section grows as test results with bugs are posted.

The collapsed sections can default to expanded, I don't recall at this
time why we chose to intentionally collapse them by default.

Another way you can contribute is by providing bugs, or feedback on the
list.  I think the order listed would also be my preference in terms of

> Those sections could really be put on its own page, so the primary page
> linked in the TC2 announcement would be clear and concise.

We used to do it that way ... and if you can believe it, it was even
harder for us to track what the heck is going on, and to direct
install-test contributors to a consistent location.  But again,
ideas/suggestions/wiki_patches welcome!

> > > Instead, the installer asks me to select the network card which to use.
> > 
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=677773 ?
> Dunno. It asks me *very* early in text mode already
>  => https://bugzilla.redhat.com/678087

That's a little different, I'll stay tuned to that bug and we can adjust
our test cases as needed based on any behavior changes.

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