Panu Matilainen pmatilai at
Mon Feb 28 06:50:39 UTC 2011

On 02/28/2011 07:06 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 23:03, Adam Williamson<awilliam at>  wrote:
>> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 12:50 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:54:50 -0800,
>>>    Rob Healey<robhealey1 at>  wrote:
>>>> I must ask again, please, is fc15 updates-testing gnome*2.91.90* or
>> rawhide/
>>>> fc16 stable enough with gnome-shell to update to either one???
>>> Maybe. gdm just got a widget that allows picking a desktop. F15 RC2 was
>> just
>>> built and is expected to pass validation for the alpha release. So things
>>> are in reasonable shape.
>> Alpha RC was built from the frozen dist-f15 tree, not from
>> updates-testing. After updating my desktop to updates-testing, both gdm
>> and GNOME are broken for me; gdm crashing in a loop
> killall accounts-daemon; according to halfline he has already prepared a
> fix.
>> , running 'startx'
>> from a vt just gives me a blank background. I'm posting this from Xfce.
> Don't know the root cause but using the fallback force method posted by
> mclasen will get you in to fallback mode until it's fixed.

FWIW, the venerable Aunt Tillie is going to find the "pop the hood but 
it might void your warranty" option a bit tough. On my box (ATI Radeon 
9600), the gnome-shell is able to start, but trying to launch anything 
at all - including the "system info" thing to select the forced fallback 
- makes the system freeze solid on the spot.

I was able to figure out the IsRunnableHelper=/bin/false trick on my 
own, but a new user would've been seriously stuck: if you can't even get 
to the browser to google for workarounds, and don't happen to own a 
second computer which you can use...

Yes I'll file bugs and yadda, but the bottom line is: there's no way you 
(not directed to you Jason) can know beforehand whether every single 
fiddly piece of hardware Gnome 3 will be thrown onto works with 
gnome-shell or not. A directly selectable fallback session from the gdm 
menu would've been helpful - call it "failsafe mode" or whatever. 
Automatic first-time tracking would've worked too: if gnome-shell starts 
but is not cleanly shut down, offering the fallback on second attempt 
would give the newbie user something workable without cli-hacks that 
would be way beyond them.

	- Panu -

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