What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

Peter Robinson pbrobinson at gmail.com
Sat Jan 22 20:32:21 UTC 2011

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno at wolff.to> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 19:16:59 +0000,
>  Peter Robinson <pbrobinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please don't. There's a lot of devices that can't run gnome-shell but
>> can run the gnome 2 configuration perfectly. With dependencies like
>> that on devices with small amounts of space you end up with a lot of
>> extra stuff you don't want or need. There must some other way to
>> achieve it for those that want it without forcing those that can't
>> have or don't want it to have unnecessary isssues and deps.
> Ideally, I'd think you'd want to have it pulled in by default when going from
> F13 or F14 to F15 (and probably F16) and then be able to removed it manually.
> I don't know if there is some trickery with obsoletes that might get this
> to work.

Well you'd want to be able to exclude it as well and adding it as an
artificial dep to something like gnome-session won't allow it to be

>> Given that "yum upgrade" isn't a fully supported method for upgrade I
>> don't see any issue with documenting that they then need to do a "yum
>> groupinstall gnome3" as the documented ways of doing yum upgrade have
>> always suggested to do similar to get new apps that weren't previously
>> installed.
> Preupgrades are officially supported. Do preupgrades have a way of specifying
> that certain packages should be included without creating a hard dependency?
> Also it seems that right now gnome-shell is a hard dependency for gnome as
> metacity (at least, I don't know about compiz) doesn't get started by
> default when gnome-shell is missing. I think that's probably just an oversight,
> but they may be something more complex going on.

Metacity works fine for me in rawhide


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