What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert at googlemail.com
Sun Jan 23 16:28:03 UTC 2011

Am Samstag, den 22.01.2011, 14:56 -0600 schrieb Jason D. Clinton:
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:32, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>         Well you'd want to be able to exclude it as well and adding it
>         as an
>         artificial dep to something like gnome-session won't allow it
>         to be
>         removed.
> GNOME Shell is the shell of GNOME 3 and thus depending on the GNOME
> Shell from the gnome-session from GNOME 3 is not artificial but rather
> a requirement. 

There is not technical reason why gnome-session needs to depend on
gnome-shell, this the dependency is artificial.

If the only purpose is is to pull something in during an update there
are smarter ways, e.g. let a virtual package that depends on gnome-shell
provide/obsolete something that was installed before.

> The fallback mode is intended as a fallback for driver and VM
> problems, not as first-class desktop environment. 

But that doesn't mean that the default always needs to be installed,
does it?

Also keep in mind that there are other "first-class desktop
environment". Moblin is just as much a GNOME based first-class desktop
environment as gnome-shell, just for a different use-case (Netbooks).
There are other use cases as well, say computers with limited hardware.

I really hope GNOME has learned a lesson from the KDE4 transition and
will work on providing a sane fallback, otherwise they will loose many
users just as KDE did.

> You will be allowed to force it to use the fallback mode should the
> detection fail to understand your hardware but that's not quite there
> yet. See here:
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg00008.html
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg00138.html
> So, doing what you describe from the UI makes a lot more sense (and
> explaining why) from a user perspective than, "If you drivers don't
> work do this magic with the package manager." The former is helpful;
> the later is pain.

It's not "If you drivers don't work do this magic with the package
manager." but more "Our fallback doesn't work properly and we use the
package manager to fix it."


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