What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

Peter Robinson pbrobinson at gmail.com
Tue Jan 25 10:41:49 UTC 2011

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Matej Cepl <mcepl at redhat.com> wrote:
> Dne 25.1.2011 07:59, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
>> But it doesn't make any sense. gnome-panel does *not* require
>> gnome-shell. We really shouldn't just go around abusing dependencies to
>> make upgrades 'work', even if it is convenient.
> I would suggest just to give up. Dependencies in RPM packages in Fedora
> haven't meant anything for a long time already. Improvements are ignored
> (am I allowed to say Suggests/Recommends here?), bugs against broken
> dependencies WONTFIXed or ignored as well (try to run Rawhide and
> upgrade just some packages and do it repeatedly for a long time ... you
> will collect a lot of nice WONTFIXes).

Actually if your speaking for the Red Hat desktop team I agree with
your point because its clear they have an "I'm right Jack, everything
for gnome shell attitude so screw everyone else" and it seems from my
point of view that they clearly couldn't give a stuff about anyone
else but themselves. And that attitude sucks and I'm getting sick of
going around my packages and spending a lot of time cleaning up the
mess of when one of that team comes and makes a mess all over the

In terms of dependencies for gnome 3 you may be right but for every
other part of the distribution you are completely wrong, at least on
this space time continuum. There are quite a number of people fixing
dependency problems and its attitudes like this that really piss me
off. We got finally rid of perl in the last release which regained
quite a bit of space for just about all spins for a net win. The
Mobility SIG (mostly me but others as well), the server SIG and the
AOS/JeOS/Virt SIG have been working consistently for a long time (me
for 3 or more years) to try and fix these issues so that is why I'm
getting a little upset on the attitude.

Just because in your world you have terabytes of space and internet
connections in the tens or even hundreds of megs a second there's a
LOT of places in the world that don't have that luxury or have to pay
a lot (like multiple dollars per gig of download) for bandwidth so
saving a 100 meg here and there is worthwhile. I've spoken to a lot of
people that are moving from Fedora to Debian and other distros for
this exact reason. Another classic example of this is updates to
openoffice. There have been 10 updates @ 200Mb odd MB each for oo.o
since the release of F-14 for such critical bugs as "background isn't
transparent" [1] surely these could be bundled together once a month
or so (I thought there was suppose to be a policy about this but I
can't find it).


> They mean only whatever form of abuse anybody treats them to currently.

[1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openoffice.org-3.3.0-20.1.fc14

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