Any hope for system-config-services ?

agraham agraham at
Thu Jul 21 09:26:17 UTC 2011

On 07/20/2011 09:31 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 07/20/2011 11:53 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
>> Since F15 this does not seem able to enable httpd or
>> anything as far as I can tell.  "enable" and "disable"
>> are greyed out.
>> How is one expected to manage Fedora as a server
>> if services can not be enabled?
> Typically Fedora isn't used a server and such server instances would use
> systemctl anyway.  systemadm is a gui but I guess needs a contributor to
> help
> Rahul

"Typically Fedora isn't used a server"


I disagree with the propaganda pumped out by RH et al about Fedora being 
a only test bed for RHEL. Fedora is community driven and owned by the 
commuinty, but sometimes I really get the feeling there is another 
agenda at work here, namely the disrupted changes added with each new 
Fedora release which prevents it becoming really stable, an example of 
this is indeed systemd, (other examples are Network Manager, Pulseaudio 
back in 2007), these "pre-alpha" where "dumped" into fedora, replacing 
major subsystems with little or no testing whatsoever and have caused 
huge amounts of pain and time wasting, this of course backs-up the 
propaganda and agenda I mentioned earlier.

Isn't about time we had a release of Fedora that purely a bug fix 
release, "MAKE FEDORA STABLE" - i.e. no new ground braking features, let 
it be known as a "STABLE SERVER OS" after all that's what it is right.

I don't use RHEL (unless there is a really good use case e.g. production 
DB) because it's basically just OLDWARE, and CENTOS is even OLDEWARE.

Rahul, this is no reflection on you, but the way you worded that 
statement and given your huge contribution to Fedora over the years 
( concerned me :(


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