My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

Pasha R at
Mon May 30 06:24:36 UTC 2011

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam at> wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 22:09 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
>> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam at> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 09:47 +0600, Angel wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you click the network icon of the panel then Network Settings, that
>> >> ´s the different thing (dumbed down to absolute worthlessness).
>> >
>> > yeah - it's so worthless you can only connect to a typical wired or
>> > wireless network configuration, y'know, like probably 80-90% of all
>> > network connections ever. I do wish people would be less absurdly
>> > extremist about everything. 'It doesn't yet cover my particular use
>> > case' is not the same thing as 'worthless'.
>> Well, unfortunately, my internet provider (and all other internet
>> providers in my country) require me to use PPPoE to connect to
>> internet. And, for some unknown reason (probably something like "I
>> don't need it, so no one else does, too" logic) current "network
>> setting" application does not allow me to configure such connection.
>> So, yes, I can't configure my internet connection with it, which
>> means, it is worthless.
> For your case, yes. 'Absolute worthlessness' implies it is of no use to
> anyone, which is not the case.
> The reason some functions are not yet implemented in the GNOME 3 NM
> interface is simply that the developers did not have time to finish them
> off yet. No conspiracy theory needed.

Yes, it is useless for anything beyond most basic configuration, which
works without any configuration tools most of the time. And for some
(many) users it is unable to setup internet connection at all. I don't
remember posting any conspiracy theories here, but I don't understand
why Fedora maintainers decide to replace functional software by
software that lacks many essential features or even replace existing
software by "yet to be written" (like gdmsetup, which remains to be
written since F9). May be instead of rushing to release Gnome 3 before
it can provide not only nice-looking, but also functional DE, they
could stop, catch their breath and complete all these missing

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