My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

[Pasha R]

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:57 AM, cornel panceac <cpanceac at gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2011/5/30 Pasha R <pashar.ml at gmail.com>
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>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam at redhat.com>
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>> > On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 22:09 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
>> >> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam at redhat.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 09:47 +0600, Angel wrote:
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>> >> >> If you click the network icon of the panel then Network Settings,
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> ´s the different thing (dumbed down to absolute worthlessness).
>> >> >
>> >> > yeah - it's so worthless you can only connect to a typical wired or
>> >> > wireless network configuration, y'know, like probably 80-90% of all
>> >> > network connections ever. I do wish people would be less absurdly
>> >> > extremist about everything. 'It doesn't yet cover my particular use
>> >> > case' is not the same thing as 'worthless'.
>> >>
>> >> Well, unfortunately, my internet provider (and all other internet
>> >> providers in my country) require me to use PPPoE to connect to
>> >> internet. And, for some unknown reason (probably something like "I
>> >> don't need it, so no one else does, too" logic) current "network
>> >> setting" application does not allow me to configure such connection.
>> >> So, yes, I can't configure my internet connection with it, which
>> >> means, it is worthless.
>> >
>> > For your case, yes. 'Absolute worthlessness' implies it is of no use to
>> > anyone, which is not the case.
>> >
>> > The reason some functions are not yet implemented in the GNOME 3 NM
>> > interface is simply that the developers did not have time to finish them
>> > off yet. No conspiracy theory needed.
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>> Yes, it is useless for anything beyond most basic configuration, which
>> works without any configuration tools most of the time. And for some
>> (many) users it is unable to setup internet connection at all. I don't
>> remember posting any conspiracy theories here, but I don't understand
>> why Fedora maintainers decide to replace functional software by
>> software that lacks many essential features or even replace existing
>> software by "yet to be written" (like gdmsetup, which remains to be
>> written since F9). May be instead of rushing to release Gnome 3 before
>> it can provide not only nice-looking, but also functional DE, they
>> could stop, catch their breath and complete all these missing
>> features.
>> --
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> it's strange how, gnome 2 which was incomplete and buggy (we were unable to
> stop a copy operation in nautilus, remember? ), suddenly appears great, by
> comparison :)
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Probably, inability to configure your screensaver is much more
noticeable than inability to stop copy operation. :)