test Digest, Vol 104, Issue 54 Message: 8

[Thomas Gilliard]

> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:03:00 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Kamil Paral<kparal at redhat.com>
> To: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases
> 	<test at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: F18 TC3 No Logout Option?: Wonko the Sane
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>> >  On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 06:45 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
>>>> >  >  >  
>>>> >  >  >  When I click on the User Name in the right corner the options
>>>> >  >  >  are....
>>>> >  >  >    Notifications, System Settings, Lock, and Power Off.  Am I
>>>> >  >  >    missing
>>>> >  >  >  something?
>>> >  >  
>>> >  >  This is a new feature from the GNOME team (i.e. it's intended).
>>> >  >  They believe there are no use cases for logging out, if you have
>>> >  >  just a single user.
>> >  
>> >  Just read the thread up to current.... Am I the only one who thinks
>> >  this
>> >  conversation is insane?
>> >  
>> >  So now there will be logic to carefully look at whether there is more
>> >  than one user account, then look to see if more than one session
>> >  installed.  Then the startx case may or may not (I'd bet not) be
>> >  dealt
>> >  with.  And sometimes when you run updates you get a message about
>> >  needing to log off and back on and sometimes you are told to reboot
>> >  so I
>> >  suppose that needs to also be accounted for.. or just always force
>> >  reboots since apparently Windows is now our lodestar.
>> >  
>> >  All these bugs to deal with just to remove a menu option that wasn't
>> >  hurting anyone.  So I take it all other problems are now solved and
>> >  we
>> >  are free to waste time twisting knobs just for the heck of it now?
>> >  
>> >  People expect to be log in and then log out of machines, online
>> >  services, pretty much everywhere.  Where is the study showing this is
>> >  confusing the always mythical hordes of AOLers who are supposed to be
>> >  clammoring to welcome to the Penguin's icy embrace if we could only
>> >  dumb
>> >  it down just one notch below a Mac?  Where?  Anyone?  Beuller?
>> >  
>> >  Maybe, just maybe, I want to log out when I'm not using the machine
>> >  because I have good security habits.  A modern machine has good
>> >  enough
>> >  power management that powering down completely is usually overkill,
>> >  or
>> >  have you guys just woke up from a coma and think it is still the
>> >  1990's?
>> >  Any of you geniuses thought about that use case?  Haven't security
>> >  people been hammering that one into people's thick skulls since long
>> >  before Linus was acrolling aaaaas and bbbbs across a screen and
>> >  getting
>> >  grandiose notions of world domination?  Yes they have.  And this
>> >  change
>> >  hoses all that effort.
>> >  
>> >  There is exactly one use case where eliminating the logout option
>> >  almost
>> >  makes sense, the case where a machine is set to automatically login
>> >  an
>> >  account on boot.  But that still doesn't cover every possibility
>> >  without
>> >  a lot of extra effort.
>> >  
>> >  Now you kids get the heck off my lawn and go reread "baggy pantsing"
>> >  in
>> >  the Jargon File.
> I have to say I agree with you. They create too much complexity (which will be broken by definition) to create a tiny simplification. This is an example of overkill.
>
> But I also have to say that GNOME mailing list/bugzilla/IRC is a much better place to direct your feedback, because just a few members of the GNOME team might read it here, and even that's not granted.
on #fedora-desktop today:

<satellit_e> I do not like the loss of logout in Gnome. We use a gnome 
+sugar-desktop setup for education ...snip... and need to log out to get 
to gdm to switch DE's  It is bad to have to reboot to switch
<mclasen> if there are multiple desktops, logout should be shown
<satellit_e> not in f18 Beta TC2
<mclasen> or maybe you are seeing 'switch session' ?
<satellit_e> I have but it did not work for me last time I tried it. 
Will retest
<satellit_e> thanks
.....snip....
<mclasen> yes, switch session does not work
<mclasen> which is why we're removing it in 3.6.1
<mclasen> instead, log out will be shown again in that situation
.....snip....
<mclasen> where 'that situation' = single user, multiple sessions