Keyboard layout criterion

Adam Williamson awilliam at
Tue Jan 15 17:30:31 UTC 2013

On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 12:05 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> Hi,
> I have already tried this multiple times in the past and we still have
> nothing so lets try again ...
> The problem:
> Keyboard layout settings and interactions seem to  break in almost
> every release and we end up with multiple endless discussions whether
> the issue is a blocker or not.
> The solution:
> We should just add a release criteria that is clear enough so that we
> can avoid this discussions and have a clear criteria to base "this is
> a blocker".
> So the proposed criteria (not sure whether we should require it for
> beta or only final) is:
> "For new installations the keyboard layout selected in the installer
> should be configured as default in the installed system.
> This includes the encryption pass phrase entry, the virtual consoles,
> the graphical login manager as well as the desktop environment.
> For upgraded systems the same applies for the default keyboard layout
> that was configured prior to the upgrade."
> This is as clear as it can be, there is no need to have some vague
> text that leaves room for endless discussions.
> Any objections? Or can we finally get this done?

Well, I don't mind, but I have one big objection and one small one. Big
one: as things are, I'm not sure we can stand behind that. As written,
we are not fulfilling it and cannot possibly fulfill it until and are fixed, because
until that's done, is
always going to exist for several hundred layouts.

Even if we assume that gets done for F19, we have something like 400+
layouts in the installer now. We can fudge the criterion at
interpretation time and say 'well it's okay if just one or two really
obscure ones are broken' but it might be nice if we could build that
into the criterion itself - one of the complaints people have about the
process currently is that there are cases where you have to 'know what
the criterion really means', and it'd be nice to avoid as many of those
as possible going forward.
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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