Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

Pete Travis lists at
Tue Sep 24 23:52:37 UTC 2013

On Sep 23, 2013 3:49 PM, J├│hann B. Gu├░mundsson <johannbg at> wrote:
> Greetings you all
> After bit of irc discussion there is a compelling reason to move entirely
away from Red Hat bugzilla as well as away from concept of hosting our own.
> Now it pretty much boils down to this.
> 1. Generic attitude of many maintainers is that reports either go to the
correct place ( upstream ) or they get their bugzilla ignored.
> 2. More often than not downstream maintainer as in packager does not know
the code at all so filling the bug downstream makes no sense since it
brings just unnecessary latency to the process.
> 3. Hosting our own bugzilla cost resources and does not solve 1. or 2.
> I personally for many years have argued against this since to an reporter
it might mean having thousand of accounts  but given that we are going
through new fase and the times are changing in the linux eco system I would
like to get your opinion about we stop reporting altogether in Red Hat
bugzilla and report only directly upstream as in kernel bugs to the kernel
community, Gnome bugs to theirs, KDE to their etc.
> The obvious benefit of doing this is that our bugs might actually get
look at,dealt with as well as all that being done in a shorter time frame.
> Thoughts and comment.
> --

Bug trackers and maintainer triage are a service to both users and
developers. Larger projects might accommodate providing this upstream, but
not all can or wish to. Small projects might turn to fedorahosted, or OBS,
or launchpad.  Remove the service, and we are less appealing for developers
to directly participate in. Send users to another service, and they begin
to question our value. I have been pondering an allegory for you, enjoy:

I invite you to go camping.  You are having fun, until I take a burning
stick from the fire and poke you in the arm.  You learn fire is hot, and
know me as the one that burned you.

My campsite does not have a first aid kit.  I tell you about therapeutic
plants, and send you into the forest.  As you search, you discover another
campsite. They share their first aid kit.  You might need further medical
care, or not.  You learn burns can heal, and know this party as the one
that healed you.

As you visit, you learn that everyone that goes camping can get hurt sooner
or later.  When they invite you to stay, you accept, because I am still the
one that burned you.

This proposal says that your arm is half cooked, and we're getting hungry
anyway, so we cut the arm off and eat it.

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