DNF utils package?

[David]

On 6/13/2014 6:47 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 18:20 -0400, David wrote:
>> On 6/13/2014 5:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 17:13 -0400, David wrote:
>>>> On 6/13/2014 4:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 07:34 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
>>>>>>> If DNF is going to replace yum, it should have reasonable equivalent
>>>>>>> tools. Those working on DNF should know about the yum-utils programs
>>>>>>> and the yum plugins we have already. "Community" means different to
>>>>>>> different people, Community of users or sysadmins? Users will likely
>>>>>>> never use yum-utils.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> User here.
>>>>>> yum-utils installed for years.
>>>>>> Every home PC user is a sysadmin by default.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a bit pointless to say you 'use yum-utils' or not, because
>>>>> yum-utils is a big grab bag of a whole bunch of stuff. It'd be most
>>>>> useful for people to note which yum-utils they use *precisely* which do
>>>>> not yet have a dnf equivalent.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I *think* what Frank is saying is that *before* Fedora bails on YUM for
>>>> dnf there should be similar (better?) tools. That is unless dnf does not
>>>> crap out like YUM does from time to time. Or Fedup stops failing for
>>>> some users. My 2 cents.
>>>
>>> What I'm saying is that there really isn't much that links the tools in
>>> yum-utils. Some of them are very important. Some of them probably
>>> aren't. It would help the dnf devs and others with prioritizing the
>>> development of replacements to know which ones are the most important.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Okay then. I have said before this 'stuff' is above my pay-grade. I
>> don't do this 'stuff' for a living.
>>
>> So you (someone) should come up with some instructions so that Joe
>> Average User (me), or Jane Average User, can learn to write a RFE
>> (name?) to bugzilla. Or where Joe User (me), or Jane Average User, can
>> politely contact the devs. Not 'how do I' questions. But 'what about
>> this' suggestions.
>>
>> Me (Joe Average User) still has a bad taste in my mouth from how Redhat
>> 5.2 help lists treated me when I finally got it installed and working
>> and I asked Newbie questions. That got me switched to another, more
>> friendly, distribution. You should remember it. You were "The Club
>> Monkey" there. When it 'died' and some devs forked it I still followed
>> them. It works well BTW.
>>
>> Please don't let Fedora improve itself to destruction.
>>
>> You have a good day Adam.
> 
> Um. I just asked for people to say which ones of the commands in
> yum-utils they use, instead of just saying they use "yum-utils". The
> point is that yum-utils isn't one cohesive code base someone can sit
> down and "port to dnf", it's a grab bag of tools thrown together in a
> package without really a lot of rhyme or reason. Most of them are
> independent of each other and can be ported to dnf separately from each
> other.
> 
> I didn't ask you to file RFEs on Bugzilla, just to say which in
> particular of the yum-utils tools you find most important.
> 


Truce flag?

I use, more often that I like,

package-cleanup --dupes & package-cleanup --cleandupes.

Sometimes, when things are acting strangely,

package-cleanup --problems


So? May i ask where, or to who, to I forward this to thr dnf devs?

-- 

  David