FLP Meeting 2007-08-28 IRC log
dimitris at glezos.com
Wed Aug 29 00:09:50 UTC 2007
Αύγ 28 20:02:24 * glezos has changed the topic to: The Fedora Localization Project - Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda
Αύγ 28 20:02:29 glezos hey all
Αύγ 28 20:02:32 glezos who's here?
Αύγ 28 20:02:55 beecher Hey, RichardBukovansky (Czech Translation team)
Αύγ 28 20:03:20 fed Hi MagnusLarsson (Swedish translation team)
Αύγ 28 20:03:23 vpv VillePekkaVainio, fi
Αύγ 28 20:04:39 glezos okey
Αύγ 28 20:05:16 glezos I don't see the meeting log posted on the page
Αύγ 28 20:05:20 glezos (the past meeting log)
Αύγ 28 20:05:40 glezos Here's the summary: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-August/msg00082.html
Αύγ 28 20:06:02 glezos Most of the TODO were done
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Αύγ 28 20:06:18 glezos I finished today all the checks I wanted to do on transifex
Αύγ 28 20:06:40 glezos and we'll probably ready to add the fedora repos
Αύγ 28 20:06:45 glezos I'll work on it today and tomorrow
Αύγ 28 20:07:10 beecher ?
Αύγ 28 20:07:12 glezos Hopefully by tomorrow we'll have it working with the normal FAS -- we'll discuss this with Infra
Αύγ 28 20:07:27 glezos beecher, go ahead
Αύγ 28 20:07:46 beecher Greenhorn question: What's the Transifex, please?
Αύγ 28 20:08:23 beecher Link would be enough. eof
Αύγ 28 20:08:25 glezos beecher, sorry -- transifex is a system we are developing for allowing translators to submit translations to any version control system we are using
Αύγ 28 20:08:46 glezos Here's the project's description: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/DimitrisGlezos
Αύγ 28 20:08:57 glezos And the project's homepage, code, etc: https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/transifex/
Αύγ 28 20:09:03 beecher OK. Thanks.
Αύγ 28 20:09:57 glezos That's it from me
Αύγ 28 20:10:05 glezos we are in good shape
Αύγ 28 20:10:24 glezos I'd like some help today and tomorrow for testing, so anyone who'd like to help, #fedora-l10n
Αύγ 28 20:10:50 glezos any thoughts?
Αύγ 28 20:11:17 beecher I will...
Αύγ 28 20:13:52 glezos ok
Αύγ 28 20:13:57 glezos anything else anyone would like to discuss?
Αύγ 28 20:13:59 fed glezos: good work of you, but is this really the way to go? Having so many different VCS will probably lead to trouble..
Αύγ 28 20:14:32 glezos fed, well, obviously we'd prefer if we translated stuff that are on cvs
Αύγ 28 20:14:34 fed I've been out of Fedora for a while so Im sorry if this has been clarified already
Αύγ 28 20:14:41 glezos on one VCS anyway)
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Αύγ 28 20:15:05 glezos but there *are* stuff that are not hosted on cvs.fedoraproject.org which want translations
Αύγ 28 20:15:19 glezos so the first step is to give translators the ability to send something there
Αύγ 28 20:15:55 glezos if we see that it works, then I guess developers will have less thoughts in using any VCS they'd like
Αύγ 28 20:16:20 fed we can have this discussion last. Lets do whatever was on the agenda first....
Αύγ 28 20:16:42 glezos fed, I think we're done with the agenda -- I don't see any reason to do a live demo now
Αύγ 28 20:16:55 fed hehe.. wow that was quick.
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Αύγ 28 20:17:25 glezos fed, yeah, not many issues to discuss this week
Αύγ 28 20:17:30 beecher ?
Αύγ 28 20:17:39 fed ok. speaking of demo, can you please do some screenshots and put on the web site for transifex...
Αύγ 28 20:18:06 glezos fed, hang around #fedora-l10n, we are talking about it often
Αύγ 28 20:18:13 glezos beecher, feel free to speak anytime you want :)
Αύγ 28 20:19:07 fed and then back to the VCS stuff... Why do we have to adjust to other people's use of VCS? If they pick something out of the ordinary they should adapt to the rest rather than the opposite
Αύγ 28 20:19:12 beecher Following meeting protocol... :) Anyway, which repos are going to be included in Transifex? Only Fedora related or others (like GNOME) also?
Αύγ 28 20:20:52 glezos fed, well, since the developer is the one who's doing most of the complex stuff regarding the VCS, it's better if we let them decide the VCS they want
Αύγ 28 20:21:23 glezos fed, translators usually just do a checkout & commit, once in a while. Developers interact with the VCSs much more
Αύγ 28 20:21:32 fed glezos: thats fine but why do they have to pick 5 different ones? You want to use all?
Αύγ 28 20:21:47 fed all outside Fedora as well?
Αύγ 28 20:21:56 walters fed: the vcs scene is slowly converging
Αύγ 28 20:21:58 glezos I think that making developers stick to one VCS (especially a centralized one like CVS/SVN) then this impedes development
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Αύγ 28 20:22:34 jeremy walters: california may fall off of north america before the vcs scene converges :-)
Αύγ 28 20:23:04 jeremy fed: for the same reasons that people prefer different editors or different desktops or ...
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Αύγ 28 20:23:10 jeremy fed: each has its good and its bad points
Αύγ 28 20:23:12 fed all: ok. nuff said about that... Thanks for the info all.
Αύγ 28 20:23:23 walters jeremy: converging to 4 instead of like 10, anyways
Αύγ 28 20:23:34 walters jeremy: i don't mean to 1 =)
Αύγ 28 20:23:49 fed glezos: Why no live demo today?
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Αύγ 28 20:24:41 glezos fed, we could have one if you guys would like
Αύγ 28 20:24:54 glezos We have a testing environment. For more info: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/DimitrisGlezos/Notes#testing
Αύγ 28 20:25:38 glezos Here it is: http://publictest5.fedora.redhat.com/submit/
Αύγ 28 20:26:15 glezos instead of getting all to create accounts, let me grab a couple of screenshots
Αύγ 28 20:27:06 fed glezos: there is nothing commited? I have to login to see?
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Αύγ 28 20:28:12 glezos fed, it's a testing environment, we clear the data often. You need to be a translator to submit translations.
Αύγ 28 20:28:34 fed I just want to see it... not submit... (not yet at least)
Αύγ 28 20:30:27 glezos fed, 1 min
Αύγ 28 20:30:54 fed glezos: it's ok. you can do later... Unless we are finished with meeting
Αύγ 28 20:31:11 beecher BTW I have registred on Testing-FAS right now and I'm getting some Python errors when editing my account...
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Αύγ 28 20:32:19 glezos ok, we can have this in #fedora-l10n
Αύγ 28 20:32:38 beecher +1
Αύγ 28 20:32:58 glezos any other topic for the meeting?
Αύγ 28 20:33:23 glezos fed, were your questions answered?
Αύγ 28 20:34:23 beecher My Q wasn't... But I will move it to fedora-l10n... ;)
Αύγ 28 20:34:44 glezos beecher, oh sorry
Αύγ 28 20:34:46 fed glezos: i think so... i need to see transifex first... maybe it will amaze me. later discussion.
Αύγ 28 20:35:10 glezos beecher, we'll start with some fedora repositories/modules and play around with them
Αύγ 28 20:35:35 glezos then if we see that everything is ok, we'll add the i18n.redhat.com CVS which still hosts some translatable modules
Αύγ 28 20:36:02 glezos then we could add some related to Fedora modules like yumex, yum, OLPC
Αύγ 28 20:36:09 beecher OK. Thanks.
Αύγ 28 20:36:20 fed glezos: another question. If I want to do some translation right now, what are my options? Using the different VCS for the different modules manually?
Αύγ 28 20:36:44 glezos it's more tricky to use it with projects which have existing translation communities because we need to think how to integrate transifex with their translation workflow
Αύγ 28 20:37:38 fed glezos: to clarify: if I want to do what I did 6 months regarding Fedora translations, what do I do now?
Αύγ 28 20:37:47 glezos fed, most of our projects (18/20) are hosted as before: some on i18n.redhat.com and some on cvs.fedoraproject.org. So you'll just need to create two accounts for them, like always
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Αύγ 28 20:38:28 glezos fed, very few modules have moved away from our traditional CVS servers.
Αύγ 28 20:39:16 glezos for those few modules, until transifex is in place, you'll need to send the PO files to the maintainer manually (or ask him to add you to the users having write access)
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Αύγ 28 20:39:33 fed glezos: So if I just use the CVS as before, I am safe (except for 2 modules)? Will it also show in your nice web pages you created to show status?
Αύγ 28 20:39:57 glezos fed, yes (for both Qs)
Αύγ 28 20:40:33 fed glezos: ok. thanks. That was a bit confusing at first.
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Αύγ 28 20:41:06 glezos fed, I'll create a wiki page explaining some of these things. Thanks for pointing them out.
Αύγ 28 20:41:18 * glezos has changed the topic to: The Fedora Localization Project - Meeting -- Open floor
Αύγ 28 20:41:46 * glezos is a bit tired and dizzy, sorry if I sound incoherent and stuff
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Αύγ 28 20:43:03 fed glezos: it would be good just to know what has changed and what we have to do change with it. Basically, it similar to before except 2 modules needs to sent manually to maintainer. Glezos working on a common interface to all VCS.
Αύγ 28 20:43:45 glezos fed, agreed
Αύγ 28 20:46:23 glezos if there's nothing else, I'd suggest to close it and get back to work. :)
Αύγ 28 20:46:40 beecher +1
Αύγ 28 20:47:11 fed +1/2. I still want a demo, but we can take it in l10n instead.
Αύγ 28 20:47:39 glezos fed, http://publictest5.fedora.redhat.com/submit/ -- login with guest/guest
Αύγ 28 20:47:51 glezos I've enabled it just for now
Αύγ 28 20:48:04 vpv we should close it here, thanks, especially to glezos :)
Αύγ 28 20:48:10 glezos vpv, thanks
Αύγ 28 20:48:34 glezos closing in 30
Αύγ 28 20:48:41 fed thanks... im logged in
Αύγ 28 20:48:57 glezos </meeting>
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