From lists at petetravis.com  Sat Dec  1 09:26:14 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 02:26:14 -0700
Subject: Testing
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From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 09:58:05 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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From lists at petetravis.com  Sun Dec  2 17:01:49 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:01:49 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report - trying again
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From domingobecker at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 22:31:00 2012
From: domingobecker at gmail.com (Domingo Becker)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:31:00 -0300
Subject: Release Notes Build Report - trying again
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2012/12/2 Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>:
>
> The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just ask!
> Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into #fedora-docs.
>
> -----
> Build report from Start Sun Dec  2 09:19:56 MST 2012
> -----
>
>
> -----
> es-ES build traceback:
> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
>         LANGUAGE = (unset),
>         LC_ALL = (unset),
>         LANG = "es-ES"
>     are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
>
> mismatched tag at line 4, column 52, byte 214:
> <!DOCTYPE title PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <title>Algunos ficheros de filename>/etc/sysconfig</filename> han quedado obsoletos</title>
> ===================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>

Is there a chance to see what po file does that <title> come from?

There's an error in the tag filename>

cheers

Domingo Becker

From lists at petetravis.com  Sun Dec  2 23:42:06 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:42:06 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report - trying again
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On Dec 2, 2012 4:31 PM, "Domingo Becker" <domingobecker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2012/12/2 Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>:
> >
> > The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just
ask!
> > Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into
#fedora-docs.
> >
> > -----
> > Build report from Start Sun Dec  2 09:19:56 MST 2012
> > -----
> >
> >
> > -----
> > es-ES build traceback:
> > perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
> > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
> >         LANGUAGE = (unset),
> >         LC_ALL = (unset),
> >         LANG = "es-ES"
> >     are supported and installed on your system.
> > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> >
> > mismatched tag at line 4, column 52, byte 214:
> > <!DOCTYPE title PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> > ]>
> > <title>Algunos ficheros de filename>/etc/sysconfig</filename> han
quedado obsoletos</title>
> > ===================================================^
> >  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
> >
>
> Is there a chance to see what po file does that <title> come from?
>
> There's an error in the tag filename>
>
> cheers
>
> Domingo Becker
> --

It looks like the 'Boot'  section:
http://fedorapeople.org/groups/docs/release-notes/en-US/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Sysadmin.html#idm8340256

I'll try making the script more informative for the next run.

--Pete
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From domingobecker at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 00:10:31 2012
From: domingobecker at gmail.com (Domingo Becker)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 21:10:31 -0300
Subject: Release Notes Build Report - trying again
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2012/12/2 Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>:
>
> It looks like the 'Boot'  section:
> http://fedorapeople.org/groups/docs/release-notes/en-US/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Sysadmin.html#idm8340256
>

That's it. Fixed.

Thanks.

> I'll try making the script more informative for the next run.
>

Great.

cheers

Domingo Becker

From lists at petetravis.com  Mon Dec  3 06:24:26 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 23:24:26 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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From juhaninumminen0 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 06:26:13 2012
From: juhaninumminen0 at gmail.com (Juhani Numminen)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:26:13 +0200
Subject: Release Notes Build Report - trying again
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Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:01:49 -0700
Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com> kirjoitti:

> -----
> fi-FI build traceback:
> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
> 	LANGUAGE = (unset),
> 	LC_ALL = (unset),
> 	LANG = "fi-FI"
>     are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> 
> mismatched tag at line 4, column 87, byte 248:
> <!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN"
> "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [ ]>
> <para><ulink url="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview">Fedoran
> yleiskatsaus<ulink></para>
> ======================================================================================^
> at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187 
> -----

Rushed to fix that one. The second <ulink> supposed to be </ulink>.
Thanks for this notify!

--
Juhani Numminen

From lists at petetravis.com  Mon Dec  3 15:37:51 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:37:51 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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From domingobecker at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 02:02:24 2012
From: domingobecker at gmail.com (Domingo Becker)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:02:24 -0300
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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References: <50bcc751.eaa0320a.4ed2.4a02@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CABJ5b7p5TCMUxUszeb_syJN_P_sTx4A=k59R-sjKhNw4s4epPA@mail.gmail.com>

2012/12/3 Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>:
> This is an automatically generated report to accompany the nightly build of
> Fedora's release-notes. The report currently features languages that fail to build and
> provides the publican traceback from the build attempt.
>
> The tracebacks below are not comprehensive. Since publican stops building at
> the *first* error it finds, translators of languages with build issues can help
> by verifying the build locally:
>
>    $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/release-notes.git
>    $ git checkout --track -b f18 origin/f18
>    $ tx pull -l your-tx-lang-code
>    $ publican build -f=html -l your-publican-lang-code
>
> The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just ask!
> Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into #fedora-docs.
>
> -----
> Build report from Start Mon Dec  3 08:03:44 MST 2012
> -----
>
>
> -----
> es-ES build traceback:
>
>  [0m [31mADVERTENCIA: No se encuentran cadenas en el archivo PO. Considere la opción de actualizar tanto sus archivos PO como sus archivos POT. [0m [31m
> ""
>
>  [0m    Merging es-ES/Cloud.po >> en-US/Cloud.xml -> tmp/es-ES/xml_tmp//Cloud.xml
> <!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para>Eucalpytus permite la creación de nubes privadas >literal>Infraestructure-as-a-Service (Iaas)</literal> que son compatibles con los <productname>Servicios Web Amazon</productname>.</para>
> ====================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>

Pete,

It looks like the pot file is outdated.

Perhaps the original docbook xml changed and no new pot file were
generated for the new additions.

Or, if it was, it needs to be uploaded to transifex and let tx update
all po files.

k.r.

Domingo Becker

From lists at petetravis.com  Tue Dec  4 02:16:00 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:16:00 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
In-Reply-To: <CABJ5b7p5TCMUxUszeb_syJN_P_sTx4A=k59R-sjKhNw4s4epPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50bcc751.eaa0320a.4ed2.4a02@mx.google.com>
	<CABJ5b7p5TCMUxUszeb_syJN_P_sTx4A=k59R-sjKhNw4s4epPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPxu5+1Q4KQHMpuYRAS5DPhkfcYc=igFQB8quyVBc_1PUvx9cQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 3, 2012 7:02 PM, "Domingo Becker" <domingobecker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pete,
>
> It looks like the pot file is outdated.
>
> Perhaps the original docbook xml changed and no new pot file were
> generated for the new additions.
>
> Or, if it was, it needs to be uploaded to transifex and let tx update
> all po files.
>
> k.r.
>
> Domingo Becker
> --
> trans mailing list
> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans

I've updated POTs and pushed them to tx,  just now.  Thanks for the
reminder.

--Pete
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From lists at petetravis.com  Tue Dec  4 06:36:51 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:36:51 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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From domingobecker at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 11:39:44 2012
From: domingobecker at gmail.com (Domingo Becker)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:39:44 -0300
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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2012/12/4 Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>:
> This is an automatically generated report to accompany the nightly build of
> Fedora's release-notes. The report currently features languages that fail to build and
> provides the publican traceback from the build attempt.
>
> The tracebacks below are not comprehensive. Since publican stops building at
> the *first* error it finds, translators of languages with build issues can help
> by verifying the build locally:
>
>    $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/release-notes.git
>    $ git checkout --track -b f18 origin/f18
>    $ tx pull -l your-tx-lang-code
>    $ publican build -f=html -l your-publican-lang-code
>
> The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just ask!
> Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into #fedora-docs.
>
> -----
> Build report from Start Mon Dec  3 23:00:34 MST 2012
> -----
>
>
> -----
> es-ES build traceback:
>
>  [0m [31mADVERTENCIA: No se encuentran cadenas en el archivo PO. Considere la opción de actualizar tanto sus archivos PO como sus archivos POT. [0m [31m
> ""
>
>  [0m    Merging es-ES/Cloud.po >> en-US/Cloud.xml -> tmp/es-ES/xml_tmp//Cloud.xml
> <!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para>Eucalpytus permite la creación de nubes privadas >literal>Infraestructure-as-a-Service (Iaas)</literal> que son compatibles con los <productname>Servicios Web Amazon</productname>.</para>
> ====================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>

Pete,

There's something wrong in the order you updated the pot files,
because some translations in 'Installation' and 'Desktop' sections
were lost.

Anyway, I translated them again.

k.r.

Domingo Becker

From tiansworld at fedoraproject.org  Tue Dec  4 12:16:23 2012
From: tiansworld at fedoraproject.org (Tiansworld)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:16:23 +0800
Subject: F18 release notes (Scientific & Technical and Printing)
Message-ID: <50BDE997.608@fedoraproject.org>

Hello,
I don't see the Scientific and Technical and Printing section in the 
generated Fedora 18 release notes.

But they are open for translation.

Do they need to be closed or translated?
-- 
Regards,

Tiansworld
Fedora Project Contributor

From lists at petetravis.com  Wed Dec  5 16:46:25 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:46:25 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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From lists at petetravis.com  Thu Dec  6 16:31:45 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:31:45 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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From ehespinosa at ya.com  Thu Dec  6 17:56:15 2012
From: ehespinosa at ya.com (Emilio Herrera Espinosa)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:56:15 +0100
Subject: trans Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5
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Message-ID: <1354816575.4767.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Pete:

	I think I fix the bug in the Spanish translation.

	Thank you.

	Emilio Herrera

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> Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> This is an automatically generated report to accompany the nightly build of 
> Fedora's release-notes. The report currently features languages that fail to build and 
> provides the publican traceback from the build attempt.
> 
> The tracebacks below are not comprehensive. Since publican stops building at 
> the *first* error it finds, translators of languages with build issues can help
> by verifying the build locally:
> 
>    $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/release-notes.git
>    $ git checkout --track -b f18 origin/f18
>    $ tx pull -l your-tx-lang-code
>    $ publican build -f=html -l your-publican-lang-code
> 
> The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just ask!
> Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into #fedora-docs.
> 
> -----
> Build report from Start Wed Dec  5 09:13:29 MST 2012
> -----
> 
>  
> -----
> es-ES build traceback:
> 
> ADVERTENCIA: No se encuentran cadenas en el archivo PO. Considere la opción de actualizar tanto sus archivos PO como sus archivos POT.
> "Aprender información básica sobre <application>GNOME Shell</application>"
> 
> <!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para><emphasis>Sistema de Notificación Mejorado</emphasis>: <application>GNOME 3.0</application> incluye un nuevo modo para que las aplicaciones envíen notificaciones a los usuarios, llamado <function>Message Tray</function>. <productname>GNOME 3.6</productname> mejora <function>Message Tray</function> para ayudar a los usuarios a pernamecer enfocado y saber si las notificaciones son urgentes. Para más información, vea <ulink url=https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/MessageTray>documentación GNOME</ulink>.</para>
> ==================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>  
> -----
> hi-IN build traceback:
> 	Merging hi-IN/Feedback.po >> en-US/Feedback.xml -> tmp/hi-IN/xml_tmp//Feedback.xml
> WARNING: Un-translated message in PO file.
> "To provide feedback on Fedora software or other system elements, please refer to <ulink url=\"http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests\"> Bugs And Feature Requests</ulink>. A list of commonly reported bugs and known issues for this release is available from <ulink url=\"http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F18_bugs\"> Common F&PRODVER; bugs</ulink>, on the wiki."
> 
> <!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para>यदि आपका फेडोरा खाता है, तो आप सीधे <ulink url="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats"> डॉक्स बीट्स <ulink />की  विकीका पृष्ठका सामग्री संपादन कर सकते हैं।</para>
> =====================================================================================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>  
> -----
> pt-PT build traceback:
> 	Processing file tmp/pt-PT/xml_tmp/Welcome.xml -> tmp/pt-PT/xml/Welcome.xml
> 	Processing file tmp/pt-PT/xml_tmp/Xorg.xml -> tmp/pt-PT/xml/Xorg.xml
> Beginning work on pt-PT
> Validation failed: 
> 	LC_ALL = (unset),
> 	LANG = "pt-PT"
>     are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> Kernel.xml:8: validity error : Element indexterm content does not follow the DTD, expecting (primary? , ((secondary , ((tertiary , (see | seealso+)?) | see | seealso+)?) | see | seealso+)?), got (filename )
>  
> -----
> zh-CN build traceback:
> "选择如何解除您的桌面锁定"
> 
> "KDE 项目"
> 
> <!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para><emphasis>功能的改进</emphasis>：<emphasis>新的 MIME 类型编辑器</emphasis> 能够让您轻松修改用于带开不同类型文件的程序。设置编辑器和鼠标与触摸板设置对话框的扩展功能现能更好地支持平板电脑</emphasis>;</para>
> ============================================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
> 
> Thanks for your work,
> 
> Pete Travis
>  - a random Fedora Docs contributor
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> End of trans Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5
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From lists at petetravis.com  Fri Dec  7 08:05:15 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 01:05:15 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
Message-ID: <50c1a33d.83b8320a.0e17.6d6a@mx.google.com>

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From tiansworld at fedoraproject.org  Fri Dec  7 12:27:24 2012
From: tiansworld at fedoraproject.org (Tiansworld)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:27:24 +0800
Subject: A conflict in F18 Release Notes
Message-ID: <50C1E0AC.9020808@fedoraproject.org>

In release notes directory change section:

For most users, this change will be invisible because the Release Notes 
are viewed by selecting the menu choice. However, some users go directly 
to the file, or may have their own internal links. For these users, 
changing the location without warning before the release could be a 
problem, so the Release Notes are not being moved this release.

Beginning with Fedora 18, the Release Notes are stored in 
/usr/share/doc/fedora-release-notes-18.0/.


The first paragraph says that it will not be moved "this release", but 
the next paragraph says it will be move to 
/usr/share/doc/fedora-release-notes-18.0/.
It's a contradictory.

I remember that the first paragraph is for Fedora 17 release notes. It 
should be changed now.

I filed a bug[1].

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885071
-- 
Regards,

Tiansworld
Fedora Project Contributor

From domingobecker at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 13:23:53 2012
From: domingobecker at gmail.com (Domingo Becker)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 10:23:53 -0300
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
In-Reply-To: <50c1a33d.83b8320a.0e17.6d6a@mx.google.com>
References: <50c1a33d.83b8320a.0e17.6d6a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CABJ5b7qf+MpUxPedqa7yWzLLOTNfhPxMvCR9u6O1E0SM1mKsbQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/12/7 Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>:
> This is an automatically generated report to accompany the nightly build of
> Fedora's release-notes. The report currently features languages that fail to build and
> provides the publican traceback from the build attempt.
>
> The tracebacks below are not comprehensive. Since publican stops building at
> the *first* error it finds, translators of languages with build issues can help
> by verifying the build locally:
>
>    $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/release-notes.git
>    $ git checkout --track -b f18 origin/f18
>    $ tx pull -l your-tx-lang-code
>    $ publican build -f=html -l your-publican-lang-code
>
> The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just ask!
> Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into #fedora-docs.
>
> -----
> Build report from Start Thu Dec  6 23:53:11 MST 2012
> -----
>
>
> -----
> es-ES build traceback:
>
>  [0m [31mADVERTENCIA: No se encuentran cadenas en el archivo PO. Considere la opción de actualizar tanto sus archivos PO como sus archivos POT. [0m [31m
> "Proyecto KDE"
>

Once again, the pot file is outdated.

Please, take care of the order of the commands to update it in
transifex, because the last time some translations from 3 pot files
were lost.

cheers

Domingo Becker

From ehespinosa at ya.com  Fri Dec  7 17:34:44 2012
From: ehespinosa at ya.com (Emilio Herrera Espinosa)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 18:34:44 +0100
Subject: trans Digest, Vol 106, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.85.1354881697.13062.trans@lists.fedoraproject.org>
References: <mailman.85.1354881697.13062.trans@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Message-ID: <1354901684.3513.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Pete:

I think that the problem is solved in the Spanish translation.

Thank you

El vie, 07-12-2012 a las 12:01 +0000,
trans-request at lists.fedoraproject.org escribió: 
> Send trans mailing list submissions to
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> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 	trans-owner at lists.fedoraproject.org
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
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> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. Release Notes Build Report (Pete Travis)
>    2. Re: trans Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5 (Emilio Herrera Espinosa)
>    3. Release Notes Build Report (Pete Travis)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:31:45 -0700
> From: Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>
> To: Fedora Translation Project List <trans at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc: Pete Travis <immanetize at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Release Notes Build Report
> Message-ID: <50c0c873.ab96320a.3734.ffffd2d3 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> This is an automatically generated report to accompany the nightly build of 
> Fedora's release-notes. The report currently features languages that fail to build and 
> provides the publican traceback from the build attempt.
> 
> The tracebacks below are not comprehensive. Since publican stops building at 
> the *first* error it finds, translators of languages with build issues can help
> by verifying the build locally:
> 
>    $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/release-notes.git
>    $ git checkout --track -b f18 origin/f18
>    $ tx pull -l your-tx-lang-code
>    $ publican build -f=html -l your-publican-lang-code
> 
> The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just ask!
> Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into #fedora-docs.
> 
> -----
> Build report from Start Thu Dec  6 08:53:50 MST 2012
> -----
> 
>  
> -----
> es-ES build traceback:
> 
> [0m[31mADVERTENCIA: No se encuentran cadenas en el archivo PO. Considere la opción de actualizar tanto sus archivos PO como sus archivos POT.[0m[31m
> "Aprender información básica sobre <application>GNOME Shell</application>"
> 
> [0m<!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para><emphasis>Sistema de Notificación Mejorado</emphasis>: <application>GNOME 3.0</application> incluye un nuevo modo para que las aplicaciones envíen notificaciones a los usuarios, llamado <function>Message Tray</function>. <productname>GNOME 3.6</productname> mejora <function>Message Tray</function> para ayudar a los usuarios a pernamecer enfocado y saber si las notificaciones son urgentes. Para más información, vea <ulink url=https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/MessageTray>documentación GNOME</ulink>.</para>
> ==================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>  
> -----
> hi-IN build traceback:
> [0m	Merging hi-IN/Feedback.po >> en-US/Feedback.xml -> tmp/hi-IN/xml_tmp//Feedback.xml
> [31mWARNING: Un-translated message in PO file.[0m[31m
> "To provide feedback on Fedora software or other system elements, please refer to <ulink url=\"http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests\"> Bugs And Feature Requests</ulink>. A list of commonly reported bugs and known issues for this release is available from <ulink url=\"http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F18_bugs\"> Common F&PRODVER; bugs</ulink>, on the wiki."
> 
> [0m<!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para>यदि आपका फेडोरा खाता है, तो आप सीधे <ulink url="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats"> डॉक्स बीट्स <ulink />की  विकीका पृष्ठका सामग्री संपादन कर सकते हैं।</para>
> =====================================================================================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>  
> -----
> pt-PT build traceback:
> 	Processing file tmp/pt-PT/xml_tmp/Welcome.xml -> tmp/pt-PT/xml/Welcome.xml
> 	Processing file tmp/pt-PT/xml_tmp/Xorg.xml -> tmp/pt-PT/xml/Xorg.xml
> Beginning work on pt-PT
> [31mValidation failed: 
> [0m	LC_ALL = (unset),
> 	LANG = "pt-PT"
>     are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> Kernel.xml:8: validity error : Element indexterm content does not follow the DTD, expecting (primary? , ((secondary , ((tertiary , (see | seealso+)?) | see | seealso+)?) | see | seealso+)?), got (filename )
> 
> Thanks for your work,
> 
> Pete Travis
>  - a random Fedora Docs contributor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:56:15 +0100
> From: Emilio Herrera Espinosa <ehespinosa at ya.com>
> To: trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: trans Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5
> Message-ID: <1354816575.4767.1.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Pete:
> 
> 	I think I fix the bug in the Spanish translation.
> 
> 	Thank you.
> 
> 	Emilio Herrera
> 
> El jue, 06-12-2012 a las 12:01 +0000,
> trans-request at lists.fedoraproject.org escribió:
> > Send trans mailing list submissions to
> > 	trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > 
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> > 	https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
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> > 
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> > 
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
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> > 
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. Release Notes Build Report (Pete Travis)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:46:25 -0700
> > From: Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>
> > To: Fedora Translation Project List <trans at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> > Cc: Pete Travis <immanetize at fedoraproject.org>
> > Subject: Release Notes Build Report
> > Message-ID: <50bf7a63.0aad320a.4c02.6863 at mx.google.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> > 
> > This is an automatically generated report to accompany the nightly build of 
> > Fedora's release-notes. The report currently features languages that fail to build and 
> > provides the publican traceback from the build attempt.
> > 
> > The tracebacks below are not comprehensive. Since publican stops building at 
> > the *first* error it finds, translators of languages with build issues can help
> > by verifying the build locally:
> > 
> >    $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/release-notes.git
> >    $ git checkout --track -b f18 origin/f18
> >    $ tx pull -l your-tx-lang-code
> >    $ publican build -f=html -l your-publican-lang-code
> > 
> > The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just ask!
> > Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into #fedora-docs.
> > 
> > -----
> > Build report from Start Wed Dec  5 09:13:29 MST 2012
> > -----
> > 
> >  
> > -----
> > es-ES build traceback:
> > 
> > [0m[31mADVERTENCIA: No se encuentran cadenas en el archivo PO. Considere la opción de actualizar tanto sus archivos PO como sus archivos POT.[0m[31m
> > "Aprender información básica sobre <application>GNOME Shell</application>"
> > 
> > [0m<!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> > ]>
> > <para><emphasis>Sistema de Notificación Mejorado</emphasis>: <application>GNOME 3.0</application> incluye un nuevo modo para que las aplicaciones envíen notificaciones a los usuarios, llamado <function>Message Tray</function>. <productname>GNOME 3.6</productname> mejora <function>Message Tray</function> para ayudar a los usuarios a pernamecer enfocado y saber si las notificaciones son urgentes. Para más información, vea <ulink url=https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/MessageTray>documentación GNOME</ulink>.</para>
> > ==================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================================^
> >  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
> >  
> > -----
> > hi-IN build traceback:
> > [0m	Merging hi-IN/Feedback.po >> en-US/Feedback.xml -> tmp/hi-IN/xml_tmp//Feedback.xml
> > [31mWARNING: Un-translated message in PO file.[0m[31m
> > "To provide feedback on Fedora software or other system elements, please refer to <ulink url=\"http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests\"> Bugs And Feature Requests</ulink>. A list of commonly reported bugs and known issues for this release is available from <ulink url=\"http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F18_bugs\"> Common F&PRODVER; bugs</ulink>, on the wiki."
> > 
> > [0m<!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> > ]>
> > <para>यदि आपका फेडोरा खाता है, तो आप सीधे <ulink url="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats"> डॉक्स बीट्स <ulink />की  विकीका पृष्ठका सामग्री संपादन कर सकते हैं।</para>
> > =====================================================================================================================================================================^
> >  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
> >  
> > -----
> > pt-PT build traceback:
> > 	Processing file tmp/pt-PT/xml_tmp/Welcome.xml -> tmp/pt-PT/xml/Welcome.xml
> > 	Processing file tmp/pt-PT/xml_tmp/Xorg.xml -> tmp/pt-PT/xml/Xorg.xml
> > Beginning work on pt-PT
> > [31mValidation failed: 
> > [0m	LC_ALL = (unset),
> > 	LANG = "pt-PT"
> >     are supported and installed on your system.
> > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> > Kernel.xml:8: validity error : Element indexterm content does not follow the DTD, expecting (primary? , ((secondary , ((tertiary , (see | seealso+)?) | see | seealso+)?) | see | seealso+)?), got (filename )
> >  
> > -----
> > zh-CN build traceback:
> > "选择如何解除您的桌面锁定"
> > 
> > "KDE 项目"
> > 
> > [0m<!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> > ]>
> > <para><emphasis>功能的改进</emphasis>：<emphasis>新的 MIME 类型编辑器</emphasis> 能够让您轻松修改用于带开不同类型文件的程序。设置编辑器和鼠标与触摸板设置对话框的扩展功能现能更好地支持平板电脑</emphasis>;</para>
> > ============================================================================================================================^
> >  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
> > 
> > Thanks for your work,
> > 
> > Pete Travis
> >  - a random Fedora Docs contributor
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > --
> > trans mailing list
> > trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
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> > 
> > End of trans Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5
> > *************************************
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 01:05:15 -0700
> From: Pete Travis <lists at petetravis.com>
> To: Fedora Translation Project List <trans at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc: Pete Travis <immanetize at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Release Notes Build Report
> Message-ID: <50c1a33d.83b8320a.0e17.6d6a at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> This is an automatically generated report to accompany the nightly build of 
> Fedora's release-notes. The report currently features languages that fail to build and 
> provides the publican traceback from the build attempt.
> 
> The tracebacks below are not comprehensive. Since publican stops building at 
> the *first* error it finds, translators of languages with build issues can help
> by verifying the build locally:
> 
>    $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/release-notes.git
>    $ git checkout --track -b f18 origin/f18
>    $ tx pull -l your-tx-lang-code
>    $ publican build -f=html -l your-publican-lang-code
> 
> The Docs team is happy to help with markup or any other issues, just ask!
> Send a message to docs at lists.fedoraproject.org or drop into #fedora-docs.
> 
> -----
> Build report from Start Thu Dec  6 23:53:11 MST 2012
> -----
> 
>  
> -----
> es-ES build traceback:
> 
> [0m[31mADVERTENCIA: No se encuentran cadenas en el archivo PO. Considere la opción de actualizar tanto sus archivos PO como sus archivos POT.[0m[31m
> "Proyecto KDE"
> 
> [0m<!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para><emphasis>Gestor de Ventanas<application>KWin</application></emphasis>: El Gestor de Ventanas <application>KWin</application> de <productname>KDE</application> ha visto mucho trabajo. Las mejoras incluyen sutiles cambios como la aparición de ventanas durante la conmutación de ventanas y ayuda para <function>Ajustes Específicos de Ventana</function>, así como cambios más visibles como un mejorado <function>KCM</function> para la conmutación de cajas y un mejor rendimiento con <function>Wobbly Windows</function>. Estos cambios hacen que <application>KWin</application> trate mejor con <function>Actividades</function>, incluyendo la adición de <function>Actividad</function> relacionada con las reglas de ventana. Este ha sido el enfoque general para la mejora de la calidad y el rendimiento de <application>KWin</application>.</para>
> ========================================================================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>  
> -----
> hi-IN build traceback:
> [0m	Merging hi-IN/Feedback.po >> en-US/Feedback.xml -> tmp/hi-IN/xml_tmp//Feedback.xml
> [31mWARNING: Un-translated message in PO file.[0m[31m
> "To provide feedback on Fedora software or other system elements, please refer to <ulink url=\"http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests\"> Bugs And Feature Requests</ulink>. A list of commonly reported bugs and known issues for this release is available from <ulink url=\"http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F18_bugs\"> Common F&PRODVER; bugs</ulink>, on the wiki."
> 
> [0m<!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN" "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" [
> ]>
> <para>यदि आपका फेडोरा खाता है, तो आप सीधे <ulink url="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats"> डॉक्स बीट्स <ulink />की  विकीका पृष्ठका सामग्री संपादन कर सकते हैं।</para>
> =====================================================================================================================================================================^
>  at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/XML/Parser.pm line 187
>  
> -----
> pt-PT build traceback:
> 	Processing file tmp/pt-PT/xml_tmp/Welcome.xml -> tmp/pt-PT/xml/Welcome.xml
> 	Processing file tmp/pt-PT/xml_tmp/Xorg.xml -> tmp/pt-PT/xml/Xorg.xml
> Beginning work on pt-PT
> [31mValidation failed: 
> [0m	LC_ALL = (unset),
> 	LANG = "pt-PT"
>     are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> Kernel.xml:8: validity error : Element indexterm content does not follow the DTD, expecting (primary? , ((secondary , ((tertiary , (see | seealso+)?) | see | seealso+)?) | see | seealso+)?), got (filename )
> 
> Thanks for your work,
> 
> Pete Travis
>  - a random Fedora Docs contributor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> --
> trans mailing list
> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
> 
> End of trans Digest, Vol 106, Issue 6
> *************************************



From lists at petetravis.com  Sat Dec  8 07:53:08 2012
From: lists at petetravis.com (Pete Travis)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 00:53:08 -0700
Subject: Release Notes Build Report
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From giomac at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 08:22:20 2012
From: giomac at gmail.com (George Machitidze)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:22:20 +0400
Subject: Language Maintainer - Georgian (ka)
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Hello,

Looks like trans-ka list is ready now, but I didn't get any notifications
and moderation password for list management...

Best regards,
George Machitidze




On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM, George Machitidze <giomac at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you,
>
> Request sent
>
> Best regards,
> George Machitidze
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2012/8/21 George Machitidze <giomac at gmail.com>:
>> > Task opened, request for joining cvsl10n sent, translation started.
>> Thank
>> > you all!
>> >
>>
>> I accepted your cvsl10n request.
>>
>> You might want to join freedesktop team on Transifex, some really
>> important cross-desktop software is hosted here.
>>
>> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/freedesktop/
>>
>> --
>> Piotr Drąg
>> http://raven.fedorapeople.org/
>> --
>> trans mailing list
>> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
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From domingobecker at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 12:07:24 2012
From: domingobecker at gmail.com (Domingo Becker)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:07:24 -0300
Subject: Language Maintainer - Georgian (ka)
In-Reply-To: <CA+nv05gLUv_Z4d89gFz22zwSiR2NozdhPJR=iW4=Us0AWt81VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+nv05iTEg=mgOkZ7yHKSuN0PzdSQP_3OPgPAjwSHiTcPEQnzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.wjcwihywl2zvei@localhost>
	<CAE4jGzq+-8qZi8n-6qTBXeFSSWr_NZkH7Q50m-CuaswdQqKctw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nv05giTqb3EbBcTtoQi53UdaBkTKiU3apMLz=v=Z_Fq7Ww2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE4jGzq_Lv=f_xisRjrzrAF1o2UofCjTe=5kywQ6YtBF2GG3Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nv05h0CjXMY5vTWr+ruJ56cQ4g+CwK63qAz7ptKsmd3C9Amg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE4jGzqeE1pxsao0Bbz5fExUJ_mzYrvxpNcsmx7HmbzA5G0zTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE4jGzoxy2_yqSxXbF-=vFAZkDnkDw4Dfn7wvOUs2b2XXj2ZpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nv05g3QP_uzFJZF3_Qym1QNjYn5j51Y-yqUjvLH-xupCu0gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE4jGzrQ6mARF1c9LG9Aa6h7Yc0iqMROXHTfyZ+038zHqxP=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nv05g8h2h4NhDRAP0sf0Ws-VvMzZc31pznQX-gZKCExDJLXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nv05gLUv_Z4d89gFz22zwSiR2NozdhPJR=iW4=Us0AWt81VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABJ5b7q5QxPUJK1SEPo1m=CfJQuFAMFpqSAtuXvP2WqyS_NsCg@mail.gmail.com>

2012/12/12 George Machitidze <giomac at gmail.com>:
> Hello,
>
> Looks like trans-ka list is ready now, but I didn't get any notifications
> and moderation password for list management...
>

Have you requested this in the ticket at fedora-infrastructure?

k.r.

Domingo Becker

From giomac at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 21:20:12 2012
From: giomac at gmail.com (George Machitidze)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:20:12 +0400
Subject: Language Maintainer - Georgian (ka)
In-Reply-To: <CABJ5b7q5QxPUJK1SEPo1m=CfJQuFAMFpqSAtuXvP2WqyS_NsCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+nv05iTEg=mgOkZ7yHKSuN0PzdSQP_3OPgPAjwSHiTcPEQnzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.wjcwihywl2zvei@localhost>
	<CAE4jGzq+-8qZi8n-6qTBXeFSSWr_NZkH7Q50m-CuaswdQqKctw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CA+nv05g3QP_uzFJZF3_Qym1QNjYn5j51Y-yqUjvLH-xupCu0gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE4jGzrQ6mARF1c9LG9Aa6h7Yc0iqMROXHTfyZ+038zHqxP=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nv05g8h2h4NhDRAP0sf0Ws-VvMzZc31pznQX-gZKCExDJLXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nv05gLUv_Z4d89gFz22zwSiR2NozdhPJR=iW4=Us0AWt81VQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABJ5b7q5QxPUJK1SEPo1m=CfJQuFAMFpqSAtuXvP2WqyS_NsCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nv05g=e5Ymd2r7Yh-VCxQCj7kvigB4pb=2zj31_Tgy1etR4w@mail.gmail.com>

If I did something - I wouldn't do it by breaking the rules. I've requested
membership a 4-5 months ago - I don't remember the details, but I didn't
find anything in my mailbox.

Best regards,
George Machitidze
ICT consultant




On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Domingo Becker <domingobecker at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2012/12/12 George Machitidze <giomac at gmail.com>:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Looks like trans-ka list is ready now, but I didn't get any notifications
> > and moderation password for list management...
> >
>
> Have you requested this in the ticket at fedora-infrastructure?
>
> k.r.
>
> Domingo Becker
> --
> trans mailing list
> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>
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From mayorgalinux at fedoraproject.org  Mon Dec 17 18:21:42 2012
From: mayorgalinux at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Mayorga_T=E9llez?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:21:42 -0600
Subject: Self-introduction
Message-ID: <CAAzXajm9xBNDbJqjn6xc0b4zSn9Gmue8BAD3eRPsOe=1SsoX=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everybody

I'm Eduardo from Nicaragua and recently I joined the Fedora spanish
tranlation team. I'm High school student.

I've worked within ambassadors and Freemedia projects.

GPG KEYID:
eduardo at mayorga ~$ gpg --fingerprint mayorgalinux at fedoraproject.org
pub   2048R/F6C17D3D 2012-12-17 [expires: 2014-12-17]
      Key fingerprint = C2FA 14E4 3965 B999 3210  D9D9 4E9D C2F6 F6C1 7D3D
uid                  Eduardo Mayorga <mayorgalinux at fedoraproject.org>
sub   2048R/2502B16F 2012-12-17 [expires: 2014-12-17]
    _
   °v°
  /(_)\
   ^ ^  Eduardo Mayorga Téllez
Managua.
http://about.me/mayorgalinux

From domingobecker at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 12:55:55 2012
From: domingobecker at gmail.com (Domingo Becker)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:55:55 -0300
Subject: Self-introduction
In-Reply-To: <CAAzXajm9xBNDbJqjn6xc0b4zSn9Gmue8BAD3eRPsOe=1SsoX=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAzXajm9xBNDbJqjn6xc0b4zSn9Gmue8BAD3eRPsOe=1SsoX=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABJ5b7oAu_pNYDYdDhuziKFXQgY0aQx+fVNHmNPuA_otziaGNQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/12/17 Eduardo Mayorga Téllez <mayorgalinux at fedoraproject.org>:
> Hello everybody
>
> I'm Eduardo from Nicaragua and recently I joined the Fedora spanish
> tranlation team. I'm High school student.
>
> I've worked within ambassadors and Freemedia projects.
>

Eduardo,

Welcome to the Fedora L10N Project!

Anything you may need, please ask in trans-es list.

kind regards

Domingo Becker (es)

From shaiton at fedoraproject.org  Fri Dec 21 10:22:57 2012
From: shaiton at fedoraproject.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Raymond)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:22:57 +0100
Subject: [hu] websites translation error
Message-ID: <20121221102257.GA24444@ws.k>

Hi hu translators,

Please find there a wrong translation report:
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/158

Cheers,


-- 
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(Shaiton)
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From hopparz at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 10:59:18 2012
From: hopparz at gmail.com (Zoltan Hoppar)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:59:18 +0100
Subject: [hu] websites translation error
In-Reply-To: <20121221102257.GA24444@ws.k>
References: <20121221102257.GA24444@ws.k>
Message-ID: <CAB_ix1SMPPVWrzkyADDq9SqFfNye5wsL78VZA=iAKCq17V2ciw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Kevin,

I'll check it.

Zoltan

2012/12/21 Kévin Raymond <shaiton at fedoraproject.org>

> Hi hu translators,
>
> Please find there a wrong translation report:
> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/158
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> --
> Kévin Raymond
> (Shaiton)
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>



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From hopparz at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 12:07:17 2012
From: hopparz at gmail.com (Zoltan Hoppar)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:07:17 +0100
Subject: [hu] websites translation error
In-Reply-To: <CAB_ix1SMPPVWrzkyADDq9SqFfNye5wsL78VZA=iAKCq17V2ciw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121221102257.GA24444@ws.k>
	<CAB_ix1SMPPVWrzkyADDq9SqFfNye5wsL78VZA=iAKCq17V2ciw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB_ix1Rj8j6GA5bZr-ghHsocNY1TUCwZfe24ULQogk8_eqcchg@mail.gmail.com>

All the translations are under review, but these typos are now fixed, and
we thank you for notice.

Zoltan

2012/12/21 Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>

> Thanks Kevin,
>
> I'll check it.
>
> Zoltan
>
> 2012/12/21 Kévin Raymond <shaiton at fedoraproject.org>
>
>> Hi hu translators,
>>
>> Please find there a wrong translation report:
>> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/158
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kévin Raymond
>> (Shaiton)
>>
>> --
>> trans mailing list
>> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>>
>
>
>
> --
> PGP:  06853DF7




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From hopparz at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 12:14:33 2012
From: hopparz at gmail.com (Zoltan Hoppar)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:14:33 +0100
Subject: [hu] websites translation error
In-Reply-To: <CAB_ix1Rj8j6GA5bZr-ghHsocNY1TUCwZfe24ULQogk8_eqcchg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121221102257.GA24444@ws.k>
	<CAB_ix1SMPPVWrzkyADDq9SqFfNye5wsL78VZA=iAKCq17V2ciw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB_ix1Rj8j6GA5bZr-ghHsocNY1TUCwZfe24ULQogk8_eqcchg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB_ix1T7YONspX=Txk7Ygn=9g-c_B7Fc5wd6QcqYjtsAm0TMPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin,

Btw - I have seen the picture is came from Ankursinha, but who is the
original sender? Why not sending it directly, and why isn't in the bugzilla?

Thanks,

Zoltan

2012/12/21 Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>

> All the translations are under review, but these typos are now fixed, and
> we thank you for notice.
>
> Zoltan
>
>
> 2012/12/21 Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>
>
>> Thanks Kevin,
>>
>> I'll check it.
>>
>> Zoltan
>>
>> 2012/12/21 Kévin Raymond <shaiton at fedoraproject.org>
>>
>>> Hi hu translators,
>>>
>>> Please find there a wrong translation report:
>>> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/158
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kévin Raymond
>>> (Shaiton)
>>>
>>> --
>>> trans mailing list
>>> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> PGP:  06853DF7
>
>
>
>
> --
> PGP:  06853DF7




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From shaiton at fedoraproject.org  Fri Dec 21 14:46:38 2012
From: shaiton at fedoraproject.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Raymond)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:46:38 +0100
Subject: [hu] websites translation error
In-Reply-To: <CAB_ix1T7YONspX=Txk7Ygn=9g-c_B7Fc5wd6QcqYjtsAm0TMPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121221102257.GA24444@ws.k>
	<CAB_ix1SMPPVWrzkyADDq9SqFfNye5wsL78VZA=iAKCq17V2ciw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB_ix1Rj8j6GA5bZr-ghHsocNY1TUCwZfe24ULQogk8_eqcchg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB_ix1T7YONspX=Txk7Ygn=9g-c_B7Fc5wd6QcqYjtsAm0TMPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121221144638.GB24444@ws.k>

Le vendredi 21 déc. 2012 à 13:14:33 (+0100), Zoltan Hoppar a écrit : 
> Kevin,
> 
> Btw - I have seen the picture is came from Ankursinha, but who is the
> original sender? Why not sending it directly, and why isn't in the bugzilla?
> 

Hi, thanks for the fix.
As linked on the ticket, the error has been reported to the websites mailing
list.
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/websites/2012-December/010979.html

We use to have frequent reports here as we have our address on all the websites
footer for asy report. It comes generally from simple users.


> Thanks,
> 
> Zoltan
> 

-- 
Kévin Raymond
(Shaiton)
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From cickumqt at gmail.com  Sun Dec 23 03:22:16 2012
From: cickumqt at gmail.com (Christopher Meng)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:22:16 +0800
Subject: What's the difference between these 2 timezones?
Message-ID: <CAHcXnBGgFeUv=JbfcjA4KB0-a2=qoZBPMYai5H3JZTr3Q8Vo+g@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry,I'm not in USA and I don't know the difference between

US/Pacific-New

     and

US/Pacific.

Can anyone tell me the difference?It really confuses me when I am doing the
translating work.

Thanks.


*Yours sincerely,*
*Christopher Meng*

Got problems with Windows? - ReBoot
Got problems with Linux? - Be Root


Ambassador/Contributor of Fedora Project and many others.
http://cicku.me
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From sparks at fedoraproject.org  Sun Dec 23 03:27:13 2012
From: sparks at fedoraproject.org (Eric H. Christensen)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:27:13 -0500
Subject: What's the difference between these 2 timezones?
In-Reply-To: <CAHcXnBGgFeUv=JbfcjA4KB0-a2=qoZBPMYai5H3JZTr3Q8Vo+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHcXnBGgFeUv=JbfcjA4KB0-a2=qoZBPMYai5H3JZTr3Q8Vo+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121223032713.GB1908@ericlaptop.home.christensenplace.us>

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On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:22:16AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote:
> Sorry,I'm not in USA and I don't know the difference between
> 
> US/Pacific-New
> 
>      and
> 
> US/Pacific.
> 
> Can anyone tell me the difference?It really confuses me when I am doing the
> translating work.

I've not heard of "Pacific-New".  Where are you seeing this?  Context might help here.

- -- Eric

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From yurchor at ukr.net  Sun Dec 23 07:30:16 2012
From: yurchor at ukr.net (Yuri Chornoivan)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:30:16 +0200
Subject: What's the difference between these 2 timezones?
In-Reply-To: <20121223032713.GB1908@ericlaptop.home.christensenplace.us>
References: <CAHcXnBGgFeUv=JbfcjA4KB0-a2=qoZBPMYai5H3JZTr3Q8Vo+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20121223032713.GB1908@ericlaptop.home.christensenplace.us>
Message-ID: <op.wprdsqlpl2zvei@localhost>

написане Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:27:13 +0200, Eric H. Christensen  
<sparks at fedoraproject.org>:

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>
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:22:16AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote:
>> Sorry,I'm not in USA and I don't know the difference between
>>
>> US/Pacific-New
>>
>>      and
>>
>> US/Pacific.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me the difference?It really confuses me when I am doing  
>> the
>> translating work.
>
> I've not heard of "Pacific-New".  Where are you seeing this?  Context  
> might help here.
>

Hi,

This string is from system-config-date_timezones.

I think that the following discussion contains some hints on what is this  
about.

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/2588

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Yuri

From cickumqt at gmail.com  Sun Dec 23 14:45:46 2012
From: cickumqt at gmail.com (Christopher Meng)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:45:46 +0800
Subject: What's the difference between these 2 timezones?
In-Reply-To: <op.wprdsqlpl2zvei@localhost>
References: <CAHcXnBGgFeUv=JbfcjA4KB0-a2=qoZBPMYai5H3JZTr3Q8Vo+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20121223032713.GB1908@ericlaptop.home.christensenplace.us>
	<op.wprdsqlpl2zvei@localhost>
Message-ID: <CAHcXnBGMbncNicR9p+MFuAka6Z=y4+JVUUCtHKWE=5NYav5=Fw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for replying so late......

I'll have a look at it.
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From ferrywon at 126.com  Mon Dec 24 11:04:29 2012
From: ferrywon at 126.com (Ferry Won)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:04:29 +0800 (CST)
Subject: hello,everyone!
Message-ID: <4e5596aa.17d13.13bcc95d24f.Coremail.ferrywon@126.com>

Hello, everybody, I'm a new translator, the following is a part of my personal information, Thank you for your support! !


Name: Ferry Won
Location: Changsha, Hunan
Login: ferrywon
Language: Chinese English
About Me:
I am a student and like to research open-source projects, and web design. In currently, I'm preparing for the GMAT. 
Last I wanna devote to Fedora translation in my leisure time!
thx!
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From anto.trande at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 11:10:16 2012
From: anto.trande at gmail.com (Antonio)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:10:16 +0100
Subject: hello,everyone!
In-Reply-To: <4e5596aa.17d13.13bcc95d24f.Coremail.ferrywon@126.com>
References: <4e5596aa.17d13.13bcc95d24f.Coremail.ferrywon@126.com>
Message-ID: <50D83818.60601@gmail.com>

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Il 24/12/2012 12:04, Ferry Won ha scritto:
> Hello, everybody, I'm a new translator, the following is a part of
> my personal information, Thank you for your support! !
> 
> 
> Name: Ferry Won Location: Changsha, Hunan Login: ferrywon Language:
> Chinese English About Me: I am a student and like to research
> open-source projects, and web design. In currently, I'm preparing
> for the GMAT. Last I wanna devote to Fedora translation in my
> leisure time! thx!
> 

Welcome Ferry ! :)


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From gexbob at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 11:50:07 2012
From: gexbob at gmail.com (Bob Li)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:50:07 +0800
Subject: hello,everyone!
In-Reply-To: <50D83818.60601@gmail.com>
References: <4e5596aa.17d13.13bcc95d24f.Coremail.ferrywon@126.com>
	<50D83818.60601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmeT4N_v0Rco8yGZaigfMLqYKkfyWz-GkxEiYUYU=ASuCYzRw@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome！


2012/12/24 Antonio <anto.trande at gmail.com>

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> Il 24/12/2012 12:04, Ferry Won ha scritto:
> > Hello, everybody, I'm a new translator, the following is a part of
> > my personal information, Thank you for your support! !
> >
> >
> > Name: Ferry Won Location: Changsha, Hunan Login: ferrywon Language:
> > Chinese English About Me: I am a student and like to research
> > open-source projects, and web design. In currently, I'm preparing
> > for the GMAT. Last I wanna devote to Fedora translation in my
> > leisure time! thx!
> >
>
> Welcome Ferry ! :)
>
>
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From tiansworld at fedoraproject.org  Mon Dec 24 11:57:07 2012
From: tiansworld at fedoraproject.org (Tiansworld)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:57:07 +0800
Subject: hello,everyone!
In-Reply-To: <4e5596aa.17d13.13bcc95d24f.Coremail.ferrywon@126.com>
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Message-ID: <50D84313.2040301@fedoraproject.org>

On 12/24/2012 07:04 PM, Ferry Won wrote:
> Hello, everybody, I'm a new translator, the following is a part of my personal information, Thank you for your support! !
>
>
> Name: Ferry Won
> Location: Changsha, Hunan
> Login: ferrywon
> Language: Chinese English
> About Me:
> I am a student and like to research open-source projects, and web design. In currently, I'm preparing for the GMAT.
> Last I wanna devote to Fedora translation in my leisure time!
> thx!
>

Hi Ferry Won,
Welcome.
It has been a long time since you requested to join the zh_CN 
translation team.
Please subscribe the Simplified Chinese mailing list and make a brief 
introduction there too.


-- 
Regards,

Tiansworld
Fedora Project Contributor

From bcotton at fedoraproject.org  Mon Dec 24 14:50:17 2012
From: bcotton at fedoraproject.org (Ben Cotton)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:50:17 -0500
Subject: Burning ISOs and Live Images guides ready for translation
Message-ID: <CAMhUM_VmN9LB7ktB_b34FCPWXKi=KpWp0y+9J_yZbygzEyvxfQ@mail.gmail.com>

The Burning ISOs and Live Images guides should be ready for F18
translation. I believe the only changes to Live Images was the
Revision History. Burning ISOs had a few sentences added or modified
based on Bugzilla tickets, but there aren't too many changes.

As usual, I can't promise I didn't screw something up along the way,
so if there are any problems, please let me know.


Thanks,
BC

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From lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org  Thu Dec 27 07:36:34 2012
From: lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org (Tommy He)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:36:34 +0800
Subject: Why not translating pangram?
Message-ID: <CACswUBB2y=fGTaYQQ8q0PEfbw8EnEAFQwZ0VBe026To0UT+Hcg@mail.gmail.com>

My dear fellows,

Probably you're familiar with the famous phrase 'The quick brown fox
jumps over the lazy dog'. As a pangram[1] it seems to be a standard
typeface sample in any font viewer or configuration tool on any OS or
DE. I'm fine with its popularity. What always confuses me is that it
always remains the English form, never localized. I searched online,
but the seemingly all-known Internet failed to provide an reasonable
answer. Until recently I pick up the localization of fonts-tweak-tool,
which is a new font configuration tool formally introduced in coming
Fedora 18[2], this question haunted in my mind so hard that I have to
ask here.

Since the main purpose of pangram in font viewer is about the
typefaces of characters, it wouldn't be much useful if literally
translating 'quick brown fox' into another language. The ideal way I
can think is to find a pangram native to the target language. For
example, if I were using gnome-font-viewer to open a Chinese font(it
seems that the metadata of a font can tell what language this font is
intended for, but I'm not 100% sure), my concern is on how this font
looks on Chinese characters. The 'quick brown fox' only showing 26
alphabetical English characters just won't do. A Chinese pangram, if
exists, will provide more in this case. However, in practice, there's
a need to know how the 26 English alphabets look even in a non-English
font. So displaying the English and the localized pangrams side by
side would be more suitable.

All right. To put it simple, do you think it would be more helpful if:
a). for English font, display the "quick brown fox" pangram as sample.
b). for non-English font, display the "quick brown fox" AND the
pangram native to the language specified by the font metadata as
samples.

Obviously it requires both effort from developers and translators to
make it happen. I'm not sure if there's any technical difficulty in
fonts-tweak-tool thus CCed the main developer Akira. Also I'm writing
to you the translators of Fedora Project to seek your opinions and
expertise.

PS: There are quite a number of pangrams in numerous languages listed
on Wikipedia[3].

Regards,
Tommy He

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangram
[2]https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html#idp714464
[3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pangrams

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From yurchor at ukr.net  Thu Dec 27 08:15:40 2012
From: yurchor at ukr.net (Yuri Chornoivan)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:15:40 +0200
Subject: Why not translating pangram?
In-Reply-To: <CACswUBB2y=fGTaYQQ8q0PEfbw8EnEAFQwZ0VBe026To0UT+Hcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACswUBB2y=fGTaYQQ8q0PEfbw8EnEAFQwZ0VBe026To0UT+Hcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.wpyukejpl2zvei@viddil12>

Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:36:34 +0200 було написано Tommy He  
<lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org>:

> My dear fellows,
>
> Probably you're familiar with the famous phrase 'The quick brown fox
> jumps over the lazy dog'. As a pangram[1] it seems to be a standard
> typeface sample in any font viewer or configuration tool on any OS or
> DE. I'm fine with its popularity. What always confuses me is that it
> always remains the English form, never localized. I searched online,
> but the seemingly all-known Internet failed to provide an reasonable
> answer. Until recently I pick up the localization of fonts-tweak-tool,
> which is a new font configuration tool formally introduced in coming
> Fedora 18[2], this question haunted in my mind so hard that I have to
> ask here.
>
> Since the main purpose of pangram in font viewer is about the
> typefaces of characters, it wouldn't be much useful if literally
> translating 'quick brown fox' into another language. The ideal way I
> can think is to find a pangram native to the target language. For
> example, if I were using gnome-font-viewer to open a Chinese font(it
> seems that the metadata of a font can tell what language this font is
> intended for, but I'm not 100% sure), my concern is on how this font
> looks on Chinese characters. The 'quick brown fox' only showing 26
> alphabetical English characters just won't do. A Chinese pangram, if
> exists, will provide more in this case. However, in practice, there's
> a need to know how the 26 English alphabets look even in a non-English
> font. So displaying the English and the localized pangrams side by
> side would be more suitable.
>
> All right. To put it simple, do you think it would be more helpful if:
> a). for English font, display the "quick brown fox" pangram as sample.
> b). for non-English font, display the "quick brown fox" AND the
> pangram native to the language specified by the font metadata as
> samples.
>
> Obviously it requires both effort from developers and translators to
> make it happen. I'm not sure if there's any technical difficulty in
> fonts-tweak-tool thus CCed the main developer Akira. Also I'm writing
> to you the translators of Fedora Project to seek your opinions and
> expertise.
>
> PS: There are quite a number of pangrams in numerous languages listed
> on Wikipedia[3].
>
> Regards,
> Tommy He
>
> [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangram
> [2]https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html#idp714464
> [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pangrams

Hi,

I think that pangrams in a user context are only useful if they show the  
native characters. Combined representation can be helpful if localization  
is incomplete and there are not too many fonts without basic Latin after  
all.

Do not know about Gtk-desktops, but in KDE pangrams were always  
translatable (including Traditional Chinese):

http://l10n.kde.org/dictionary/search-translations.php?package=kde-workspace&filename=&teamcode=&search=Quick+brown+fox&submitted=Search

Just my 2 cents.

Best regards,
Yuri,
Ukrainian translator

From piotrdrag at gmail.com  Thu Dec 27 15:16:33 2012
From: piotrdrag at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Piotr_Dr=C4=85g?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:16:33 +0100
Subject: Why not translating pangram?
In-Reply-To: <CACswUBB2y=fGTaYQQ8q0PEfbw8EnEAFQwZ0VBe026To0UT+Hcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACswUBB2y=fGTaYQQ8q0PEfbw8EnEAFQwZ0VBe026To0UT+Hcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE4jGzp_9DgpihRyROMdN0iGkQ7bes5q+fnN1fMODOp6pFz8Kg@mail.gmail.com>

2012/12/27 Tommy He <lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org>:
> My dear fellows,
>
> Probably you're familiar with the famous phrase 'The quick brown fox
> jumps over the lazy dog'. As a pangram[1] it seems to be a standard
> typeface sample in any font viewer or configuration tool on any OS or
> DE. I'm fine with its popularity. What always confuses me is that it
> always remains the English form, never localized. I searched online,
> but the seemingly all-known Internet failed to provide an reasonable
> answer. Until recently I pick up the localization of fonts-tweak-tool,
> which is a new font configuration tool formally introduced in coming
> Fedora 18[2], this question haunted in my mind so hard that I have to
> ask here.
>
> Since the main purpose of pangram in font viewer is about the
> typefaces of characters, it wouldn't be much useful if literally
> translating 'quick brown fox' into another language. The ideal way I
> can think is to find a pangram native to the target language. For
> example, if I were using gnome-font-viewer to open a Chinese font(it
> seems that the metadata of a font can tell what language this font is
> intended for, but I'm not 100% sure), my concern is on how this font
> looks on Chinese characters. The 'quick brown fox' only showing 26
> alphabetical English characters just won't do. A Chinese pangram, if
> exists, will provide more in this case. However, in practice, there's
> a need to know how the 26 English alphabets look even in a non-English
> font. So displaying the English and the localized pangrams side by
> side would be more suitable.
>
> All right. To put it simple, do you think it would be more helpful if:
> a). for English font, display the "quick brown fox" pangram as sample.
> b). for non-English font, display the "quick brown fox" AND the
> pangram native to the language specified by the font metadata as
> samples.
>
> Obviously it requires both effort from developers and translators to
> make it happen. I'm not sure if there's any technical difficulty in
> fonts-tweak-tool thus CCed the main developer Akira. Also I'm writing
> to you the translators of Fedora Project to seek your opinions and
> expertise.
>
> PS: There are quite a number of pangrams in numerous languages listed
> on Wikipedia[3].
>

As a matter of fact GTK+/GNOME stack (in the Pango library [1]) has a
list of pangrams and a function to display it in user's native
language. I've seen it used e.g. in gnome-font-viewer and sushi. Is
fonts-tweak-tool based on GTK+? If so, it can easily use
pango_language_get_sample_string() API.

[1] http://git.gnome.org/browse/pango/tree/pango/pango-language-sample-table.h

--
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http://raven.fedorapeople.org/

From lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org  Fri Dec 28 00:54:54 2012
From: lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org (Tommy He)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:54:54 +0800
Subject: Why not translating pangram?
In-Reply-To: <CAE4jGzp_9DgpihRyROMdN0iGkQ7bes5q+fnN1fMODOp6pFz8Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACswUBB2y=fGTaYQQ8q0PEfbw8EnEAFQwZ0VBe026To0UT+Hcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE4jGzp_9DgpihRyROMdN0iGkQ7bes5q+fnN1fMODOp6pFz8Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACswUBDOpehw=+V8YA4QZL2kgO-Loyj7vsiQcsaG_9Ya6fTGVA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/12/27 Tommy He <lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org>:
>> My dear fellows,
>>
>> Probably you're familiar with the famous phrase 'The quick brown fox
>> jumps over the lazy dog'. As a pangram[1] it seems to be a standard
>> typeface sample in any font viewer or configuration tool on any OS or
>> DE. I'm fine with its popularity. What always confuses me is that it
>> always remains the English form, never localized. I searched online,
>> but the seemingly all-known Internet failed to provide an reasonable
>> answer. Until recently I pick up the localization of fonts-tweak-tool,
>> which is a new font configuration tool formally introduced in coming
>> Fedora 18[2], this question haunted in my mind so hard that I have to
>> ask here.
>>
>> Since the main purpose of pangram in font viewer is about the
>> typefaces of characters, it wouldn't be much useful if literally
>> translating 'quick brown fox' into another language. The ideal way I
>> can think is to find a pangram native to the target language. For
>> example, if I were using gnome-font-viewer to open a Chinese font(it
>> seems that the metadata of a font can tell what language this font is
>> intended for, but I'm not 100% sure), my concern is on how this font
>> looks on Chinese characters. The 'quick brown fox' only showing 26
>> alphabetical English characters just won't do. A Chinese pangram, if
>> exists, will provide more in this case. However, in practice, there's
>> a need to know how the 26 English alphabets look even in a non-English
>> font. So displaying the English and the localized pangrams side by
>> side would be more suitable.
>>
>> All right. To put it simple, do you think it would be more helpful if:
>> a). for English font, display the "quick brown fox" pangram as sample.
>> b). for non-English font, display the "quick brown fox" AND the
>> pangram native to the language specified by the font metadata as
>> samples.
>>
>> Obviously it requires both effort from developers and translators to
>> make it happen. I'm not sure if there's any technical difficulty in
>> fonts-tweak-tool thus CCed the main developer Akira. Also I'm writing
>> to you the translators of Fedora Project to seek your opinions and
>> expertise.
>>
>> PS: There are quite a number of pangrams in numerous languages listed
>> on Wikipedia[3].
>>
>
> As a matter of fact GTK+/GNOME stack (in the Pango library [1]) has a
> list of pangrams and a function to display it in user's native
> language. I've seen it used e.g. in gnome-font-viewer and sushi. Is
> fonts-tweak-tool based on GTK+? If so, it can easily use
> pango_language_get_sample_string() API.
>
> [1] http://git.gnome.org/browse/pango/tree/pango/pango-language-sample-table.h

fonts-tweak-tool seems to base on PyGTK+. Hope it wouldn't be a issue
to utilize pango_language_get_sample_string() API.
Still, it's a question better to be answered by Akira :)

Thanks,
Tommy

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> http://raven.fedorapeople.org/
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From tagoh at redhat.com  Fri Dec 28 09:34:03 2012
From: tagoh at redhat.com (Akira TAGOH)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:34:03 +0900 (JST)
Subject: Why not translating pangram?
In-Reply-To: <CAE4jGzp_9DgpihRyROMdN0iGkQ7bes5q+fnN1fMODOp6pFz8Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACswUBB2y=fGTaYQQ8q0PEfbw8EnEAFQwZ0VBe026To0UT+Hcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE4jGzp_9DgpihRyROMdN0iGkQ7bes5q+fnN1fMODOp6pFz8Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121228.183403.1967673990429165198.tagoh@redhat.com>

>>>>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:16:33 +0100,
>>>>> "PD" == Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail.com> wrote:

PD> As a matter of fact GTK+/GNOME stack (in the Pango library [1]) has a
PD> list of pangrams and a function to display it in user's native
PD> language. I've seen it used e.g. in gnome-font-viewer and sushi. Is
PD> fonts-tweak-tool based on GTK+? If so, it can easily use
PD> pango_language_get_sample_string() API.

PD> [1] http://git.gnome.org/browse/pango/tree/pango/pango-language-sample-table.h

That sounds reasonable. fixed in git.

Thanks,
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From shaiton at fedoraproject.org  Sun Dec 30 00:02:18 2012
From: shaiton at fedoraproject.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Raymond)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 01:02:18 +0100
Subject: fedoraproject website, new ressource
Message-ID: <20121230000218.GX24444@ws.k>

Dear translators,

Please find on transifex[1] the new fpo ressource. We added the secondary arches
at get-fedora-options.
It will be merge on the f18-beta branch right before the release date. Please
don't translate the f18-beta branch anymore.

I am currently building a better translating process in order to avoid this kind
of ressource creation/lock/merge... And keep the credits rights (I should not
appear as a translator). But it needs some codes to be clear and we are on
freeze. Let's make F19 a wonderful release :D

Please report any issues, and proofread at 
http://stg.fedoraproject.org/get-fedora-options#2nd_arches

[1] https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora-web/resource/fedoraproject-org-stg-arches/

-- 
Kévin Raymond
(Shaiton)
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From lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org  Sun Dec 30 04:04:54 2012
From: lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org (Tommy He)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:04:54 +0800
Subject: Why not translating pangram?
In-Reply-To: <20121228.183403.1967673990429165198.tagoh@redhat.com>
References: <CACswUBB2y=fGTaYQQ8q0PEfbw8EnEAFQwZ0VBe026To0UT+Hcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE4jGzp_9DgpihRyROMdN0iGkQ7bes5q+fnN1fMODOp6pFz8Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20121228.183403.1967673990429165198.tagoh@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <CACswUBAtqNq57u_1PtsTcyj5XWWGQwr-LHcogrrs1vcVOs7Ntg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot for this quick action. :)

Tommy

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Akira TAGOH <tagoh at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:16:33 +0100,
>>>>>> "PD" == Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> PD> As a matter of fact GTK+/GNOME stack (in the Pango library [1]) has a
> PD> list of pangrams and a function to display it in user's native
> PD> language. I've seen it used e.g. in gnome-font-viewer and sushi. Is
> PD> fonts-tweak-tool based on GTK+? If so, it can easily use
> PD> pango_language_get_sample_string() API.
>
> PD> [1] http://git.gnome.org/browse/pango/tree/pango/pango-language-sample-table.h
>
> That sounds reasonable. fixed in git.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Akira TAGOH
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans



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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lovenemesis

From htaira-fdr at pantora.net  Sun Dec 30 07:07:14 2012
From: htaira-fdr at pantora.net (Hajime Taira)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:07:14 +0900
Subject: fedoraproject website, new ressource
In-Reply-To: <20121230000218.GX24444@ws.k>
References: <20121230000218.GX24444@ws.k>
Message-ID: <CAJqoohJ=T7JGYokRN=Oxk39UP2U73uYH7LKGHYz8bXXfWrhw2g@mail.gmail.com>

ja-JP is already done by Japanese team.

Taira

2012/12/30 Kévin Raymond <shaiton at fedoraproject.org>

> Dear translators,
>
> Please find on transifex[1] the new fpo ressource. We added the secondary
> arches
> at get-fedora-options.
> It will be merge on the f18-beta branch right before the release date.
> Please
> don't translate the f18-beta branch anymore.
>
> I am currently building a better translating process in order to avoid
> this kind
> of ressource creation/lock/merge... And keep the credits rights (I should
> not
> appear as a translator). But it needs some codes to be clear and we are on
> freeze. Let's make F19 a wonderful release :D
>
> Please report any issues, and proofread at
> http://stg.fedoraproject.org/get-fedora-options#2nd_arches
>
> [1]
> https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora-web/resource/fedoraproject-org-stg-arches/
>
> --
> Kévin Raymond
> (Shaiton)
>
> --
> websites mailing list
> websites at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
>
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From chepioq at gmail.com  Sun Dec 30 11:36:51 2012
From: chepioq at gmail.com (dominique chepioq)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:36:51 +0100
Subject: fedoraproject website, new ressource
In-Reply-To: <CAJqoohJ=T7JGYokRN=Oxk39UP2U73uYH7LKGHYz8bXXfWrhw2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121230000218.GX24444@ws.k>
	<CAJqoohJ=T7JGYokRN=Oxk39UP2U73uYH7LKGHYz8bXXfWrhw2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHRzy=n1koBf2niXP6NP+KZeGeOqFLfCptqo6LKj0qOPXQ0EpQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/12/30 Hajime Taira <htaira-fdr at pantora.net>

> ja-JP is already done by Japanese team.
>
> Taira
>
> 2012/12/30 Kévin Raymond <shaiton at fedoraproject.org>
>
>> Dear translators,
>>
>> Please find on transifex[1] the new fpo ressource. We added the secondary
>> arches
>> at get-fedora-options.
>> It will be merge on the f18-beta branch right before the release date.
>> Please
>> don't translate the f18-beta branch anymore.
>>
>> I am currently building a better translating process in order to avoid
>> this kind
>> of ressource creation/lock/merge... And keep the credits rights (I should
>> not
>> appear as a translator). But it needs some codes to be clear and we are on
>> freeze. Let's make F19 a wonderful release :D
>>
>> Please report any issues, and proofread at
>> http://stg.fedoraproject.org/get-fedora-options#2nd_arches
>>
>> [1]
>> https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora-web/resource/fedoraproject-org-stg-arches/
>>
>> --
>> Kévin Raymond
>> (Shaiton)
>>
>> --
>> websites mailing list
>> websites at lists.fedoraproject.org
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
>>
>
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>

Ok Kevin, I take-it and post the diff on mailing-list-fr

Dominique
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From besnik at programeshqip.org  Sun Dec 30 17:47:37 2012
From: besnik at programeshqip.org (Besnik Bleta)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:47:37 +0200
Subject: fedoraproject website, new ressource
In-Reply-To: <20121230000218.GX24444@ws.k>
References: <20121230000218.GX24444@ws.k>
Message-ID: <50E07E39.4060700@programeshqip.org>

Më 12/30/2012 02:02 AM, � Raymond shkrojti:
> Dear translators,
>
> Please find on transifex[1] the new fpo ressource. We added the secondary arches
> at get-fedora-options.
> It will be merge on the f18-beta branch right before the release date. Please
> don't translate the f18-beta branch anymore.
>
> I am currently building a better translating process in order to avoid this kind
> of ressource creation/lock/merge... And keep the credits rights (I should not
> appear as a translator). But it needs some codes to be clear and we are on
> freeze. Let's make F19 a wonderful release :D
>
> Please report any issues, and proofread at
> http://stg.fedoraproject.org/get-fedora-options#2nd_arches
>
> [1]�https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora-web/resource/fedoraproject-org-stg-arches/
>
>
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> trans at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>


sq is only one string way from being 100% complete. I would appreciate
if someone could give a simple explanation of "Root store".

TIA
Besnik

From shaiton at fedoraproject.org  Mon Dec 31 18:57:22 2012
From: shaiton at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Raymond?=)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:57:22 +0100
Subject: fedoraproject website, new ressource
In-Reply-To: <50E07E39.4060700@programeshqip.org>
References: <20121230000218.GX24444@ws.k> <50E07E39.4060700@programeshqip.org>
Message-ID: <CAPwc7DNAu1cyjCwkUz6UW-ODtXyhPZ7QL0t+6PwDTOQsLJAt0g@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Besnik Bleta <besnik at programeshqip.org>wrote:

> sq is only one string way from being 100% complete. I would appreciate
> if someone could give a simple explanation of "Root store".
>
>
The root store is the name of the Amazone Cloud storage instance. They have
several ones.
More at http://aws.amazon.com/en/ebs/

I am going shortly to merge this branch on master in order to have the
final website ready for the release day.

Thanks,

-- 
Kévin Raymond
(shaiton)
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2
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