system-config-date timezones

Thu Jan 24 11:59:03 UTC 2013

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, <keld at keldix.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:12:10AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <yurchor at ukr.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:10:05 +0200 ???????? ???????????????? Yaron
> Shahrabani <
> > > sh.yaron at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > >  On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <yurchor at ukr.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:49:18 +0200 ???????? ???????????????? Yaron
> Shahrabani <
> > >>> sh.yaron at gmail.com>:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  Hi Yuri!
> > >>>
> > >>>> Just to make sure, is this package using CLDR?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yaron Shahrabani
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <Hebrew translator>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> Hi Yaron!
> > >>>
> > >>> No. It is not. It is Fedora/Red Hat-only solution, not used in any
> other
> > >>> distributions (AFAIK).
> > >>>
> > >>> Best regards,
> > >>> Yuri
> > >>>
> > >>>  Hi again!
> > >>
> > >> CLDR has nothing to do with cross distro, it's a standard directory
> for
> > >> international definitions like the names of the day in each language
> or
> > >> the
> > >> name of the months, names of languages, countries etc.
> > >>
> > >> This way you don't need to wait for the translators to do it, you just
> > >> copy
> > >> this definitions from there or use it via an external package
> providing
> > >> all
> > >> this info (I think it's called ICU).
> > >>
> > >> Kind regards,
> > >> Yaron Shahrabani.
> > >>
> > >
> > > No, system-config-date does not use CLDR and I am not a developer of
> > > system-config-date. Please report bugs if you want this feature.
> > >
> > I see, thanks for the clarification.
> >
> > >
> > > The crowd translations from CLDR are of very low quality (imho) and
> should
> > > be used with great care, at least for Ukrainian. The results of their
> > > application at transifex are not very promising. The general idea was
> good
> > > but the implementation is very inflexible and at least sometimes leads
> to
> > > mistakes.
> > >
> > Why don't you get involved in CLDR in order to fix that?
>
> I think we should rather use the glibc data that has good participation
> from Linux, and IMHO
> has better data quality for as number of locales, including Danish, my own
> language.
>
> best regards
> keld
>
Gettext does not include translation of terms, only the plural forms, these
are related though quite different :)

>
> > >
> > > Broken dates in Ukrainian locale on Transifex due to mistakes in CLDR:
> > >
> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**55247264/broken_dates.png<
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55247264/broken_dates.png>
> >
> > Do you need my assistance in opening  a bug in CLDR?
> >
> > Thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea, In Hebrew it works pretty
> well.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Yuri
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Yuri Chornoivan <yurchor at ukr.net>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You might already realized that system-config-date translations [1]
> > >>>>> were
> > >>>>> wiped due to minor mistake in template names (the original
> template was
> > >>>>> replaced by system-config-date interface template, then restored).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The maintainer answered to my request as follows:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "it seems that I've made a copy-paste error, I should have fixed
> this
> > >>>>> now."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Now the template is on its right place and the translations can be
> > >>>>> restored using POs from src RPM. Just extract it for your language
> then
> > >>>>> upload to Transifex [1].
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hope this helps.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Best regards,
> > >>>>> Yuri
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1]
> https://fedora.transifex.com/******projects/p/system-config-****
> > >>>>> date/**<
> https://fedora.transifex.com/****projects/p/system-config-**date/**>
> > >>>>> <https://fedora.**
> transifex.com/**projects/p/**system-config-date/**<
> https://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> resource/timezones_master/<**htt**ps://fedora.transifex.**com/**<
> http://fedora.transifex.com/**>
> > >>>>> projects/p/system-config-date/****resource/timezones_master/<h**
> > >>>>> ttps://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**
> > >>>>> resource/timezones_master/<
> https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-date/resource/timezones_master/
> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [2] ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/******fedora/linux/development/**<
> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**>
> > >>>>> <**ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**<
> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/**fedora/linux/development/**>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-******config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.**
> > >>>>> **src.**rpm<
> > >>>>> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.**net/linux/**fedora/linux/**development/**
> > >>>>> rawhide/source/
> > >>>>> **SRPMS/s/system-config-date-**1.**10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<ftp://**
> > >>>>> fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/**linux/development/rawhide/**
> > >>>>> source/SRPMS/s/system-config-**date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<
> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm
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