system-config-date timezones

Mon Jan 28 08:37:22 UTC 2013

Wasn't sure, thanks for the clarifications, apparently they are both
related to ICU, but CLDR has more terms (Time Zone names, Country names,
Languages names, etc.).

Kind regards,

Yaron Shahrabani

<Hebrew translator>

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM, <keld at keldix.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 01:59:03PM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, <keld at keldix.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:12:10AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <yurchor at ukr.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:10:05 +0200 ???????? ???????????????? Yaron
> > > Shahrabani <
> > > > > sh.yaron at gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <
> yurchor at ukr.net>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:49:18 +0200 ???????? ???????????????? Yaron
> > > Shahrabani <
> > > > >>> sh.yaron at gmail.com>:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>  Hi Yuri!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Just to make sure, is this package using CLDR?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Yaron Shahrabani
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> <Hebrew translator>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> Hi Yaron!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> No. It is not. It is Fedora/Red Hat-only solution, not used in
> any
> > > other
> > > > >>> distributions (AFAIK).
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Best regards,
> > > > >>> Yuri
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>  Hi again!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> CLDR has nothing to do with cross distro, it's a standard
> directory
> > > for
> > > > >> international definitions like the names of the day in each
> language
> > > or
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> name of the months, names of languages, countries etc.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This way you don't need to wait for the translators to do it, you
> just
> > > > >> copy
> > > > >> this definitions from there or use it via an external package
> > > providing
> > > > >> all
> > > > >> this info (I think it's called ICU).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Kind regards,
> > > > >> Yaron Shahrabani.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > No, system-config-date does not use CLDR and I am not a developer
> of
> > > > > system-config-date. Please report bugs if you want this feature.
> > > > >
> > > > I see, thanks for the clarification.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The crowd translations from CLDR are of very low quality (imho) and
> > > should
> > > > > be used with great care, at least for Ukrainian. The results of
> their
> > > > > application at transifex are not very promising. The general idea
> was
> > > good
> > > > > but the implementation is very inflexible and at least sometimes
> leads
> > > to
> > > > > mistakes.
> > > > >
> > > > Why don't you get involved in CLDR in order to fix that?
> > >
> > > I think we should rather use the glibc data that has good participation
> > > from Linux, and IMHO
> > > has better data quality for as number of locales, including Danish, my
> own
> > > language.
> > >
> > > best regards
> > > keld
> > >
> > Gettext does not include translation of terms, only the plural forms,
> these
> > are related though quite different :)
>
> I am not talking about gettext, but about glibc locale data.
>
> Are you aware that glibc includes locale data, such as day and month
> names, date formats
> and other stuff?
>
> Best regards
> Keld
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Broken dates in Ukrainian locale on Transifex due to mistakes in
> CLDR:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**55247264/broken_dates.png<
> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55247264/broken_dates.png>
> > > >
> > > > Do you need my assistance in opening  a bug in CLDR?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea, In Hebrew it works
> pretty
> > > well.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Yuri
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Yuri Chornoivan <
> yurchor at ukr.net>
> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>  Hi,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> You might already realized that system-config-date
> translations [1]
> > > > >>>>> were
> > > > >>>>> wiped due to minor mistake in template names (the original
> > > template was
> > > > >>>>> replaced by system-config-date interface template, then
> restored).
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> The maintainer answered to my request as follows:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> "it seems that I've made a copy-paste error, I should have
> fixed
> > > this
> > > > >>>>> now."
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Now the template is on its right place and the translations
> can be
> > > > >>>>> restored using POs from src RPM. Just extract it for your
> language
> > > then
> > > > >>>>> upload to Transifex [1].
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hope this helps.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Best regards,
> > > > >>>>> Yuri
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> [1]
> > > https://fedora.transifex.com/******projects/p/system-config-****
> > > > >>>>> date/**<
> > > https://fedora.transifex.com/****projects/p/system-config-**date/**>
> > > > >>>>> <https://fedora.**
> > > transifex.com/**projects/p/**system-config-date/**<
> > > https://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**>
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>>
> resource/timezones_master/<**htt**ps://fedora.transifex.**com/**<
> > > http://fedora.transifex.com/**>
> > > > >>>>>
> projects/p/system-config-date/****resource/timezones_master/<h**
> > > > >>>>> ttps://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**
> > > > >>>>> resource/timezones_master/<
> > >
> https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-date/resource/timezones_master/
> > > >
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> [2]
> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/******fedora/linux/development/**<
> > > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**>
> > > > >>>>> <**ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**
> <
> > > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/**fedora/linux/development/**>
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>>
> rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-******config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.**
> > > > >>>>> **src.**rpm<
> > > > >>>>> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.**net/linux/**fedora/linux/**development/**
> > > > >>>>> rawhide/source/
> > > > >>>>> **SRPMS/s/system-config-date-**1.**10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<ftp://
> **
> > > > >>>>> fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/**linux/development/rawhide/**
> > > > >>>>> source/SRPMS/s/system-config-**date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<
> > >
> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm
> > > >
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> >
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