Fedora Installation Guide

Tue May 7 23:49:47 UTC 2013

Thanks Dimitris, but because Zanata can't yet accept TM files, we can't 
re-use the translation files in this way. The flexibility of TMX to 
salvage any translated material that remains current is excellent, but 
sadly can't be exploited in this case.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the technicalities, so feel free to correct 
me. :)

Jack

On 05/03/2013 12:06 PM, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> Not sure if it helps, but you can use Transifex's Translation Memory
> to re-use the work already done. If you check the checkbox "Fill-up
> translations from the TM", Tx will search in the TM and if it finds
> 100% matches in English, it will re-use existing translations. For
> strings which were slightly modified, translators will be able to see
> the 60-100% matches in the editor when translating, thus re-using
> similar translations from the past.
>
> -d
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Jack Reed <jreed at redhat.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for passing this on to the French team, Jérôme.
>>
>> Unfortunately though, as I said, the pot files that were uploaded two months
>> ago during the test were for f17, not f18, which I've confirmed by looking
>> at certain strings. I understand that this means labour has been wasted, and
>> I apologise for the oversight.
>>
>> Not all pot files were updated for f18, of course, but I'm not aware of a
>> way to distinguish them and then push the po files that are still current
>> into Zanata. If anyone has an idea about this, which would enable us to
>> re-use some of the stranded translations, please let us know.
>>
>> I agree that more consistent notifications for trans-list would be valuable.
>> I don't have enough knowledge of existing trans-list practices to know where
>> improvements can be made, but I'll help any way I can. I've CC'd Pete
>> Travis, the Fedora docs lead, so he can mull this over too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/02/2013 06:10 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> No worries, I've indeed stopped people to translate the Install Guide on
>> Transifex on trans-fr. I also need to compile all the .po and try to see if
>> I can push them to Zanata (any API on Zanata?).
>>
>> In order to fix the process in the mean time, I will organize a regular
>> news/FAQ/roadmap mail on the trans-fr list.
>>
>> Maybe we can plan to do so on the trans list as well, informing which new
>> guides are coming (Defensive coding which appeared a bit out of the blue),
>> which have been replaced (Deployment -> SAG/Storage), etc.
>>
>> That would also be interesting in the light of F19 coming, for instance with
>> pointers to the F19 schedule, with reminders of the work that will be coming
>> (release notes, mandatory docs, etc.).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/1 Jack Reed <jreed at redhat.com>
>>> Hi Jérôme, and other translators who have worked on the Installation Guide
>>> lately,
>>>
>>> I was shocked to discover that there were so many files still accepting
>>> translation, because Alick Zhao and I blocked all the files in this project
>>> many months ago.
>>>
>>> But I've discovered the cause. 2 months ago, in an attempt to further
>>> troubleshoot the problems we had with the project on Transifex, a couple of
>>> us did test pushes to try and get all the files on to Transifex's servers.
>>> Previously - including at the point when Alick and I blocked the files - the
>>> project contained less than half of the files it was supposed to, which was
>>> one of the reasons we moved the project to Zanata.
>>>
>>> In working through that bug on github, the issue was resolved and we
>>> pushed all the files. However, because all work had moved to Zanata, I
>>> failed to consider that these newly added files needed to be blocked too.
>>>
>>> Although the Docs Project Guide Table [1] directs translators to Zanata
>>> for work on both installation guides, obviously experienced Fedora
>>> translators are going to check Transifex first. So when you found files that
>>> could be translated, you understandably proceeded. This is a consequence of,
>>> as you say, there not being a way to inform all translators, without fail,
>>> of such changes, or because I was not aware of how to do so.
>>>
>>> Because we want to leave the Transifex project open in the event that it
>>> is viable to return translation of the Installation Guide there, I will
>>> manually block the new files from accepting translations. However, if
>>> Dimitris or someone else knows a way to block access to the project entirely
>>> without deleting it, that would be the most future-proof method.
>>>
>>> I would also appreciate any suggestions of where else the move to Zanata
>>> should be publicised to help avoid confusion in future.
>>>
>>> I apologise to the translators who have worked on this project in
>>> Transifex since these new files were added. I had to push F17 files for
>>> testing purposes, so I'm sorry to say that your work will need to be redone
>>> in Zanata. I regret that the difficulties we have had managing this large
>>> guide have caused further problems. There have been a lot of plates to keep
>>> spinning.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/30/2013 05:36 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jack,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the pointers and the explanation.
>>> Do you know why the Install Guide has not been cleared from Transifex
>>> after a backup?
>>> People are still translating the non disabled part of it, and having it
>>> rot having translated & disabled is not satisfying either.
>>> Do I need to file a BZ to get it removed entirely from Transifex?
>>>
>>> As people come and go on a regular basis, could we also think of having a
>>> regular newsletter which would remind to everybody such moves?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/4/30 Jack Reed <jreed at redhat.com>
>>>> Hi Jérôme,
>>>>
>>>> Great to hear that your team has targeted the Installation Guide in this
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> The Installation Guide is actually translated on Zanata now, which is why
>>>> you've encountered these issues in the Transifex project.
>>>>
>>>> I've also consolidated the Installation Quick Start Guide into the
>>>> Installation Guide repo, so there are a list of files that would ideally be
>>>> translated first so that the Quick Start Guide can be ready sooner.
>>>>
>>>> An explanation of this:
>>>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html
>>>>
>>>> And an explanation of the move to Zanata:
>>>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html
>>>>
>>>> And the project itself:
>>>> https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you have any more questions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/26/2013 06:19 AM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> The French team is considering making a special effort to advance French
>>>> translation of the Fedora Installation Guide.
>>>>
>>>> We however have a number of issues which do not ease its translation :
>>>> - 877 different resources visible in Transifex, of which
>>>>    - a lot are read-only and not accepting translations,
>>>>    - a lot are one-liners, or to be correct, one stringers.
>>>>
>>>> Could we please have a status about this guide (are there parts not to
>>>> translate), and can we expect a cleanup of its setup in Transifex (major
>>>> sections only, not more one-stringers)?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jérôme Fenal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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