Fedora Installation Guide
Jack Reed
jreed at redhat.com
Fri May 17 03:31:33 UTC 2013
In a nice twist, I've been able to salvage the Installation Guide
translations made over the last couple of months in Transifex since
missing files were uploaded as a test and erroneously left accessible.
It turns out that Zanata is capable of copying all useful translations
from one version of a project to another. So the translations of strings
still used in the Installation Guide are now safely in the f18 version
of the guide's Zanata project.
Thanks to the Zanata team for their help with this, and I'm relieved
that the translation work done over the last couple of months hasn't
been in vain.
Cheers,
Jack
On 05/03/2013 11:43 AM, Jack Reed wrote:
> Thanks for passing this on to the French team, Jérôme.
>
> Unfortunately though, as I said, the pot files that were uploaded two
> months ago during the test were for f17, not f18, which I've confirmed
> by looking at certain strings. I understand that this means labour has
> been wasted, and I apologise for the oversight.
>
> Not all pot files were updated for f18, of course, but I'm not aware
> of a way to distinguish them and then push the po files that are still
> current into Zanata. If anyone has an idea about this, which would
> enable us to re-use some of the stranded translations, please let us know.
>
> I agree that more consistent notifications for trans-list would be
> valuable. I don't have enough knowledge of existing trans-list
> practices to know where improvements can be made, but I'll help any
> way I can. I've CC'd Pete Travis, the Fedora docs lead, so he can mull
> this over too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
>
> On 05/02/2013 06:10 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> No worries, I've indeed stopped people to translate the Install Guide
>> on Transifex on trans-fr. I also need to compile all the .po and try
>> to see if I can push them to Zanata (any API on Zanata?).
>>
>> In order to fix the process in the mean time, I will organize a
>> regular news/FAQ/roadmap mail on the trans-fr list.
>>
>> Maybe we can plan to do so on the trans list as well, informing which
>> new guides are coming (Defensive coding which appeared a bit out of
>> the blue), which have been replaced (Deployment -> SAG/Storage), etc.
>>
>> That would also be interesting in the light of F19 coming, for
>> instance with pointers to the F19 schedule, with reminders of the
>> work that will be coming (release notes, mandatory docs, etc.).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/1 Jack Reed <jreed at redhat.com <mailto:jreed at redhat.com>>
>>
>> Hi Jérôme, and other translators who have worked on the
>> Installation Guide lately,
>>
>> I was shocked to discover that there were so many files still
>> accepting translation, because Alick Zhao and I blocked all the
>> files in this project many months ago.
>>
>> But I've discovered the cause. 2 months ago, in an attempt to
>> further troubleshoot the problems we had with the project on
>> Transifex, a couple of us did test pushes to try and get all the
>> files on to Transifex's servers. Previously - including at the
>> point when Alick and I blocked the files - the project contained
>> less than half of the files it was supposed to, which was one of
>> the reasons we moved the project to Zanata.
>>
>> In working through that bug on github, the issue was resolved and
>> we pushed all the files. However, because all work had moved to
>> Zanata, I failed to consider that these newly added files needed
>> to be blocked too.
>>
>> Although the Docs Project Guide Table [1] directs translators to
>> Zanata for work on both installation guides, obviously
>> experienced Fedora translators are going to check Transifex
>> first. So when you found files that could be translated, you
>> understandably proceeded. This is a consequence of, as you say,
>> there not being a way to inform all translators, without fail, of
>> such changes, or because I was not aware of how to do so.
>>
>> Because we want to leave the Transifex project open in the event
>> that it is viable to return translation of the Installation Guide
>> there, I will manually block the new files from accepting
>> translations. However, if Dimitris or someone else knows a way to
>> block access to the project entirely without deleting it, that
>> would be the most future-proof method.
>>
>> I would also appreciate any suggestions of where else the move to
>> Zanata should be publicised to help avoid confusion in future.
>>
>> I apologise to the translators who have worked on this project in
>> Transifex since these new files were added. I had to push F17
>> files for testing purposes, so I'm sorry to say that your work
>> will need to be redone in Zanata. I regret that the difficulties
>> we have had managing this large guide have caused further
>> problems. There have been a lot of plates to keep spinning.
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/30/2013 05:36 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
>>> Hi Jack,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the pointers and the explanation.
>>> Do you know why the Install Guide has not been cleared from
>>> Transifex after a backup?
>>> People are still translating the non disabled part of it, and
>>> having it rot having translated & disabled is not satisfying either.
>>> Do I need to file a BZ to get it removed entirely from Transifex?
>>>
>>> As people come and go on a regular basis, could we also think of
>>> having a regular newsletter which would remind to everybody such
>>> moves?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/4/30 Jack Reed <jreed at redhat.com <mailto:jreed at redhat.com>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jérôme,
>>>
>>> Great to hear that your team has targeted the Installation
>>> Guide in this way.
>>>
>>> The Installation Guide is actually translated on Zanata now,
>>> which is why you've encountered these issues in the
>>> Transifex project.
>>>
>>> I've also consolidated the Installation Quick Start Guide
>>> into the Installation Guide repo, so there are a list of
>>> files that would ideally be translated first so that the
>>> Quick Start Guide can be ready sooner.
>>>
>>> An explanation of this:
>>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html
>>>
>>> And an explanation of the move to Zanata:
>>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html
>>>
>>> And the project itself:
>>> https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any more questions.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/26/2013 06:19 AM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> The French team is considering making a special effort to
>>>> advance French translation of the Fedora Installation Guide.
>>>>
>>>> We however have a number of issues which do not ease its
>>>> translation :
>>>> - 877 different resources visible in Transifex, of which
>>>> - a lot are read-only and not accepting translations,
>>>> - a lot are one-liners, or to be correct, one stringers.
>>>>
>>>> Could we please have a status about this guide (are there
>>>> parts not to translate), and can we expect a cleanup of its
>>>> setup in Transifex (major sections only, not more
>>>> one-stringers)?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jérôme Fenal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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