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> 1. Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #356 - 28 msgs (Chris Kloiber)
> 2. Re: Flash Plugin for Fedora Core 1 (Ben Steeves)
> 3. Re: Transparent terminals? (Ben Steeves)
> 4. Re: Making RPMs? (Vincent)
> 5. Re: Need Help - S3 KM133 CTX MS700 Combo (Christopher A. Williams)
> 6. Re: Transparent terminals? (Hal Burgiss)
> 7. updating isos? (fedora)
> 8. Re: Wine serious problem (Antonio Luis)
> 9. Re: Transparent terminals? (Ben Steeves)
> 10. Re: the CCRMA or alsa on fedora (Christopher A. Williams)
> 11. [Fwd: Mozilla and Multimedia] (antonio montagnani)
> 12. Re: RedHat Professional Workstation FUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDD (William Hooper)
> 13. Re: BIND basics (Carsten)
> 14. SiI3x12A Fedora Core Install (Aron Rubin)
> 15. Re: Transparent terminals? (Alexandre Strube)
> 16. Re: fedora will not access dhcp server to get IP (Trevor Smith)
> 17. Re: Not Finding QT? (Michael Schwendt)
> 18. Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #359 - 25 msgs (Justin P. Steiger)
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> Message: 1
> Subject: Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #356 - 28 msgs
> From: Chris Kloiber <ckloiber at redhat.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Organization: Red Hat, Inc.
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:34:19 +0800
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 16:09, Rob Park wrote:
> > Karl DeBisschop wrote:
> > > Agreed. Actually, I often find myself expecting the system to give focus
> > > to the window I'm looking at. But maybe that's asking a little too much.
> >
> > Yeah, that'd be nice. "focus strictly under eyeballs".
> >
> > I don't think it'll be long (maybe 10 or 20 years) before somebody
> > invents a "pointing device" that controls your mouse cursor by measuring
> > your eyeball movements and simply have the cursor move to wherever you
> > are looking at. Combine this with the "focus strictly under mouse" that
> > I described in another email, and it'd be pure bliss :)
>
> 10 or 20 years? The military already does this for aiming weapons in
> attack helicopters. Just a matter of the technology making the leap to
> consumer use.
>
> --
> Chris Kloiber
> Red Hat, Inc.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Subject: Re: Flash Plugin for Fedora Core 1
> From: Ben Steeves <bcs at metacon.ca>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:51:43 -0400
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 04:20, Warren Togami wrote:
>
> > Does anyone actually create non-silly-web-game Shockwave content? I
> > believe I totally haven't visited any USEFUL Shockwave pages. Ever. I
> > could be wrong though.
>
> A biology/chemistry professor at my university uses Shockwave to create
> visualization demos for his students. Very effective stuff, actually.
>
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> Message: 3
> Subject: Re: Transparent terminals?
> From: Ben Steeves <bcs at metacon.ca>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:52:53 -0400
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 22:41, Hal Burgiss wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 06:36:49PM -0800, Neil Hodge wrote:
> > >
> > > I am wondering if any of the solutions mentioned previously in this
> > > thread are truly transparent (i.e., they show desktop icons, other open
> > > windows, etc.) or just pseudo-transparent (i.e., they pass through the
> > > root window only). Thanks.
> >
> > AFAIK, true transparency does not exist in X. What is being talked
> > about is just a replication of the background image to make it seem
> > transparent.
>
> See http://www.freedesktop.org/
>
> Ben
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:58:54 -0800
> From: Vincent <pros-n-cons at bak.rr.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Making RPMs?
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:59:26 +0100
> Tarjei Knapstad <tarjeik at chemcon.no> wrote:
>
> >
> > See the Fedora Developers Guide:
> >
> > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/developers-guide/
> >
> > and these Wiki pages:
> >
> > http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy
> > http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageNamingGuidelines
>
> I have read these and much more but a few things still confuse me.
> For instance this is all it says about 'Requires'
>
> If your package requires other packages to be on the system at the time of installation, list them here. Include versions if necessary (for example, somepackage >= 2.0). Multiple entries must be separated by a space or a comma. Explicit file dependencies may be listed rather than package dependencies by giving the full path (for example, /sbin/chkconfig).
>
> Is this the same as BuildRequires: ?
> Is this for binary RPM or if people compile from SRPM?
> How do I find out what -devel packages it uses? (fedora-rmdevelrpms)?
>
> I'm trying to build an RPM so I 'ldd' each library and wrote down the results.
> I'll paste what it had as an example for the next question.
>
> gtk2-2.2.4-5.1
> atk-1.4.0-1
> pango-1.2.5-1.1
> glib2-2.2.3-1.1
> glibc-2.3.2-101.1
> XFree86-libs-4.3.0-42
> fontconfig-2.2.1-6.1
> freetype-2.1.4-5
> zlib-1.2.0.7-2
> expat-1.95.5-3
>
> I understand RPM takes care of most of this right? well which ones?
> This does not include devel packages. fedora-rmdevelrpms from what I read
> can fix this and I have it. But this is the only way? I normally find deps
> by installing any packages close to what the error is. I hope there is a more
> efficient way then removing 30 packages.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Subject: Re: Need Help - S3 KM133 CTX MS700 Combo
> From: "Christopher A. Williams" <chrisw01 at privatei.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:08:09 -0700
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 17:25, Alexandre Strube wrote:
> > Em Seg, 2003-11-24 às 16:38, Mauro Faccenda escreveu:
> >
> > > And get back to the savage driver:
> > > Driver "savage"
> > > You'll be able use the original driver, but still "unaccelerated".
> >
> > Oh yeah, I forgot: here fedora (and redhat9) installation runs on a
> > resolution which goes out of my monitor also... I just press ctrl alt -
> > and install it using 640x480 :-)
>
> Thank for the info - from everyone who responded.
>
> This guy in the store is going to put together a higher end system with
> a newer video chipset (most likely NVidia) today. I'm going to burn him
> a CD with the latest NVidia drivers (RPM format from those who have
> posted earlier) to help get things running smoothly. He might try an
> older version of Knoppix on that smaller, S3 video based system.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> --
> ====================================
> "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence,
> try orderin' someone else's dog around."
> --Cowboy Wisdom
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:12:01 -0500
> From: Hal Burgiss <hal at burgiss.net>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Transparent terminals?
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 08:52:53AM -0400, Ben Steeves wrote:
> > >
> > > AFAIK, true transparency does not exist in X. What is being talked
> > > about is just a replication of the background image to make it seem
> > > transparent.
> >
> > See http://www.freedesktop.org/
>
> On a quick run-around this site, I don't see this is being
> implemented? I know people have talked about true transparency in X
> for years, but having it working is something else.
>
> --
> Hal Burgiss
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:06:04 -0600 (CST)
> From: fedora <fedora at packetstorm.org>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: updating isos?
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> I was curious if the ISOs will be updated to reflect any updates made
> since the initial release.
>
> It would save time in installing, then going back over my bugnotes to fix
> the bugs the release hit me with. Plus it would save initial setup time by
> reducing the yum update downloads.
>
> thanks
>
> Greg
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Subject: Re: Wine serious problem
> From: Antonio Luis <mathematikus at yahoo.es>
> To: Lista de correo Fedora Core 1 <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:13:20 +0100
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> El mar, 25-11-2003 a las 13:30, Chris Kloiber escribió:
> > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 16:12, William Penton wrote:
> >
> > > > [Drive C]
> > > > "Path" = "%HOME%/.wine/c"
> > > > "Type" = "hd"
> > > > "Label" = "MS-DOS"
> > > > "Filesystem" = "win95"
> >
> > Out of curiosity, does your "%HOME%/.wine/c" contain the stuff normally
> > found in the "fake_windows" directory?
>
> Uhm...Yes. This is its structure:
> c......autoexec.bat
> config.sys
> \windows
> drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 Desktop
> drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 Favorites
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mathematicus mathematicus 0 nov
> 25 14:11 ficheros.texto
> drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 Fonts
> drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 NetHood
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 33 nov
> 25 13:21 notepad.exe ->
> /usr/lib/wine/wine/notepad.exe.so
> drwxrwxr-x 3 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 Profiles
> drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 Recent
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 33 nov
> 25 13:21 regedit.exe ->
> /usr/lib/wine/wine/regedit.exe.so
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 34 nov
> 25 13:21 rundll32.exe ->
> /usr/lib/wine/wine/rundll32.exe.so
> drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 SendTo
> drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 ShellNew
> drwxrwxr-x 3 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 Start Menu
> drwxrwxr-x 2 mathematicus mathematicus 4096 nov
> 25 13:21 system
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mathematicus mathematicus 382 nov
> 25 13:21 system.ini
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 37 nov
> 25 13:21 uninstaller.exe ->
> /usr/lib/wine/wine/uninstaller.exe.so
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 33 nov
> 25 13:21 winhelp.exe ->
> /usr/lib/wine/wine/winhelp.exe.so
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 mathematicus mathematicus 33 nov
> 25 13:21 winhlp32.exe ->
> /usr/lib/wine/wine/winhelp.exe.so
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mathematicus mathematicus 502 nov
> 25 13:26 win.ini
>
> \MyDocuments.......
> \Program Files .....
>
> etc...
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Subject: Re: Transparent terminals?
> From: Ben Steeves <bcs at metacon.ca>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:15:52 -0400
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 09:12, Hal Burgiss wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 08:52:53AM -0400, Ben Steeves wrote:
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK, true transparency does not exist in X. What is being talked
> > > > about is just a replication of the background image to make it seem
> > > > transparent.
> > >
> > > See http://www.freedesktop.org/
> >
> > On a quick run-around this site, I don't see this is being
> > implemented? I know people have talked about true transparency in X
> > for years, but having it working is something else.
>
> Sorry -- I should have elaborated. The extensions being implemented in
> the FreeDesktop project will apparently make true transparency
> possible. At least such is my understanding.
>
> --
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>
> Message: 10
> Subject: Re: the CCRMA or alsa on fedora
> From: "Christopher A. Williams" <chrisw01 at privatei.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:16:46 -0700
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 23:34, Aaron wrote:
> > HI all,
> > If you are at all interested in audio on Fedora a first release of the
> > Planet CCRMA archives has been released.
> >
> >
> > http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
> > enjoy.
> > Aaron
>
> Please forgive my ignorance here. I added the CCRMA archives to my
> sources.list file but can not get any packages to install correctly
> using synaptic. It complains about unsigned packages.
>
> Is there a way to either get a key for CCRMA if it exists or allow
> unsigned packages in synaptic from this repository? I'm using Synaptic
> 0.45 for this.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> --
> ====================================
> "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence,
> try orderin' someone else's dog around."
> --Cowboy Wisdom
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:24:51 +0100
> From: antonio montagnani <anto.montagnani at virgilio.it>
> To: Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Subject: [Fwd: Mozilla and Multimedia]
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
>
>
> I need some advice how to set Mozilla in order to have multimedia
> experience as in Windows (audio streaming, video streaming)
>
> I installed Xine but in many case gxineplugin (that is seen in Mozilla)
> doesn't operate, I tried to connect live radio www.nostalgie.fr and
> www.swissjazz.ch and I got frustrated, if I start Gxine some stations
> include in the list play, other don't....
>
> On the other hand I installed also Mplayer plugin, but it seems to block
> mozilla, I have to kill job....may I have both gxineplugin and
> mplayerplugin installed at same time???
>
>
> Tnx to all
>
>
>
> Antonio
>
> =========================================================
> Written with Mozilla 1.4.1 on Redhat Linux Fedora Core 1
> You can grab Mozilla at www.mozilla.org
> =========================================================
> =========================================================
> Scritto con Mozilla 1.4.1 su Redhat Linux Fedora Core 1
> Puoi scaricare Mozilla presso www.mozilla.org
> =========================================================
>
>
> --
>
> Antonio
>
> =========================================================
> Written with Mozilla 1.4.1 on Redhat Linux Fedora Core 1
> You can grab Mozilla at www.mozilla.org
> =========================================================
> =========================================================
> Scritto con Mozilla 1.4.1 su Redhat Linux Fedora Core 1
> Puoi scaricare Mozilla presso www.mozilla.org
> =========================================================
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:22:05 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: RedHat Professional Workstation FUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
> From: "William Hooper" <whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
> Xose Vazquez Perez said:
> > Alexandre Strube wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Seems like somewhere between red hat9, rhel and fedora.. As it's not
> >
> > RHPW is the *same* code than RHEL family.
> >
> >> fully supported, and redhat network subscriptions cannot be removed,
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > FALSE! You get *1* year of updates from RHN. And the next year, buy again
> > other box(with RHN subscription included)
> >
> >> this make me think.. For who was it made? For workstations on
> >> enterprises which use rhel for their servers? Maybe... kinda kinky
> >> anyway. (and, for paying $99 for no support, I prefer fedora :)
> > ^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > If you need phone/web/mail.... support, then buy RHEL.
>
> >From RH's web page it looks to me like RHPW is basically the same as what
> the boxed set of "Red Hat Linux" used to be.
>
> - Retail box
> - One year RHN
> - Installation support for 30 days.
>
> Everyone whined that they wanted the old RHL back, so there it is.
>
> --
> William Hooper
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 13
> Subject: Re: BIND basics
> From: Carsten <carsten at ya.com>
> To: Fedora-list <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:29:25 +0100
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> Great, it is solved!
>
> It was the zone file:
>
> Replaced
> $TTL 86400
> caluta.carsten.peters.name. IN SOA carsten.peters.name root (
>
> With
> $TTL 86400
> @ IN SOA carsten.peters.name. root (
>
> it was probably the missing trailing dot.
>
> AND
>
> caluta IN NS 192.168.1.3
> caluta IN A 192.168.1.3
> kutter IN A 192.168.1.2
>
> With
>
> IN NS caluta.carsten.peters.name.
> caluta IN A 192.168.1.3
> kutter IN A 192.168.1.2
>
>
> no forward necesary in /etc/named.conf for the server is already a caching server.
> No reserve zone for carsten.peters.name, well I think if I don't contact servers that require a reserve lookup I can probably do without it
> Anyway, I will put the reserve zone later.
>
> Thank you,
> Carsten
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:39:22 -0500
> From: Aron Rubin <arubin at atl.lmco.com>
> Organization: Lockheed Martin ATL
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: SiI3x12A Fedora Core Install
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> So I got this mondo hammer (athlon64) machine, but it has only a SATA
> drive. Prior to procuring said machine, I made sure I could find some
> sort of statement of support, some vague, for each component. Well poop,
> the Fedora Core install process does not recognize the SATA controller,
> which is a Silicon Image SiI 3x12. There does not seem to be a "legacy"
> emulation option in the bios. The vendor only supplies the driver
> compiled into a 2.4.18 binary distro and a promise for inclusion in 2.6.
> After much searching I came across:
> http://www.infowares.com/linux/
> These drivers claim support for the SiI3x12A controller. Before I go and
> try to use them, can someone give me some direction as to how to do so
> with the install process. Any other *useful* info would be appreciated.
>
> Aron
>
> --
>
> ssh aron at rubinium.org cat /dev/brain | grep ^work:
>
> Aron Rubin Member, Engineering Staff
> Lockheed Martin E-Mail: arubin at atl.lmco.com
> Advanced Technology Laboratories Phone: 856.792.9865
> 3 Executive Campus Fax: 856.792.9930
> Cherry Hill, NJ USA 08002 Web: http://www.atl.lmco.com
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 15
> Subject: Re: Transparent terminals?
> From: Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:42:22 -0200
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> Em Ter, 2003-11-25 s 00:41, Hal Burgiss escreveu:
> > AFAIK, true transparency does not exist in X. What is being talked
> > about is just a replication of the background image to make it seem
> > transparent.
>
> I've seen somewhere a opengl-based terminal which would be really
> transparent.. don't remember which one. Anyone knows about it?
>
> --
> []s
>
> Alexandre Ganso
> 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> From: "Trevor Smith" <trevor at haligonian.com>
> To: "fedora-list at redhat.com" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:38:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: fedora will not access dhcp server to get IP
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:23:37 +0800, Chris Kloiber wrote:
>
> >DSL is a technology I don't use. I have a cable modem which provides an
> >ethernet connection. My instructions should still work as far as they
>
> Agreed. Originally I had a cable modem and when I switched to adsl, I
> didn't change anything. I just unplugged the network cable from the
> back of my cable modem and plugged it into the back of my new adsl
> modem and bang, Win2k, OS/2 and linux all worked.
>
> But not no more...
>
> >go, In /etc/sysconfig/fwiptables.conf, replace LAN_IFACE="eth0" and
> >INET_IFACE="ppp0"
>
> Ummm... I'm guessing a bit, since you weren't specific, but from your
> original message and this one, I think you're saying to try editing
> that file, changing those two lines to include some reference to the
> 'de4x5' driver. I seem to remember seeing a 'tulip' reference here and
> there in files while I have been stumbling around blindly in config
> files so I'll see if something looks logical to change.
>
> (I'm not really clear right now since I have to reboot to even be able
> to check on what I think you're saying.)
>
>
> --
> Trevor Smith | trevor at haligonian.com
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:44:55 +0100
> From: Michael Schwendt <ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Not Finding QT?
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
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> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:31:30 +0100, Nick Wilson wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to install avifile and it's not finding the qt libraries or
> > headers?
> >
> > It spots them okay (/usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib /usr/lib/qt-3.1/includes) but
> > does not recognize them, can anyone help?
>
> A common mistake is to install the qt-devel without running
> /etc/profile.d/qt.sh (or logging out and logging in again).
> That would set the QTDIR environment variable which points
> to Qt's root directory.
>
> If that is not it, please post more details (also check out config.log).
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