Fedora Project: Announcing New Direction

Tom Ryan tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu
Mon Sep 22 18:47:01 UTC 2003


Points noted..

However, what about those of us who purchase a few RHN subscriptions to 
support their RH linux?

Obviously, I realize that you can't answer on this, but maybe you could 
push it along.

The real issue for us (a cheap edu) was the cost differential between RHEL 
and RHL.

I realize you might not care about our money each year, and I realize that 
(i believe this was stated) fedora upgrades will be carried via RHN. I 
have to ask myself if RH is still the linux we want to use.


On 22 Sep 2003, Havoc Pennington wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 13:12, Jos Vos wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:53:29PM -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> > 
> > > This table attempts to summarize the difference between our operating
> > > system products and the Fedora Project:
> > > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html
> > > 
> > > Red Hat will be doing a lot of development and other work on the Fedora
> > > Project, but it's not a product that you can buy from us. We're working
> > > on the Fedora Project in the same way that we work on other projects
> > > such as Mozilla or the Linux kernel.
> > 
> > Well, I can't read this different from "Red Hat stops delivering a
> > freely available Linux distribution", which I consider bad news :-(.
> "freely available" could be misleading, remember that our products are
> still open source, the issue here is freeness of beer not speech.
> It is accurate that don't currently plan more commercial products for
> free (beer) download in binary form.
> > Related to "freely available": it's not completely clear what the
> > "Licensing: open source" and the "Downloads: source only, or ..."
> > in the Red Hat Enterprise Linux column on the above referred page
> > *exactly* means w.r.t. what people/companies outside Red Hat may
> > or mayt not do with it.  I guess I have to read the trademark-related
> > pages at the Red Hat site for that?
> You have to read the RHEL agreement, I can't find the link right now but
> various people have posted it in the past. Trademark guidelines apply
> but probably aren't the primary issue in governing what you can do.
> My understanding is that you have the rights under the open source
> licenses to use, modify, and distribute (we cannot and do not want to
> remove these), but to get maintenance and support *from us* you have to
> subscribe per-system.
> But of course I am not a lawyer or official spokesperson, you really
> have to read the agreement and you may want to talk to the Red Hat
> salespeople as they answer questions about this kind of thing all day.
> Havoc
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