Fedora community (Was: Revised Fedora Core website - Where are the links?)

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

>Somewhere on the http://fedora.redhat.com home page should be placed a
>notice of the transition to FedoraProject.org. (A link would be a nice
>touch.) If visitors to the old site cannot find what they're searching
>for they can go to the new site.  No need to google.
>  
>
We havent made the decision yet. We are *still* discussing it. 
http://fedoraproject.org does not have all of the infrastructure 
necessary for a complete transition at this point and is maintained by 
volunteers. Again all of the discussion in the archives and is available 
in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites. The schedule is available 
from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Schedule

The entire list of infrastructure details is available from 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure. You can also help by 
signing up and doing things.

>I may not have expressed myself very clearly.  The main Fedora Core
>home page has been and currently is http://fedora.redhat.com. Just do
>a Google search for "Fedora Core".  My comment about the change being
>stealthy is that the site has been significantly altered. There is
>nothing on the main page or in either "News" or "About" regarding the
>change to the site.
>
The changes are work in progress. We havent decided on anything yet. The 
News page links to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate. It has the 
fedora-websites-list.

Let me trace back the history of this change a bit.

I initiated the discussion in fedora-docs list. See 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2005-October/msg00111.html 
on creating a new mailing list for interactions about the website which 
had previous been discussed in fedora-docs and fedora-marketing list and 
someone in private mails among web administrators of the websites to 
make it open and transparent to the community. The archives are 
available. It was also later announced on the fedora-marketing list

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2005-November/msg00006.html

Fedora marketing list is where the discussion about a potential 
transition to fedoraproject.org happened the whole point of which is to 
enable more of the community to participate through the wiki among other 
things.


> Only people who know about the change are those of
>the fedora-website-list which is a back channel communications link,
>much like this list. I agree, the archives are public, but it is not
>highly visible. What query string would you use in Google to find this
>particular discussion? 
>
Try "Fedora websites"?. Its the first hit.


>The change is clumsy because a simple notice
>and link would have handled the mysterious loss of content.
>  
>
The work was done by volunteers. They might not have done a perfect job. 
You can file bug reports (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites) or 
post to the fedora-websites list instead of calling changes stealthy and 
club members only. I find that kind of language unnecessarily hostile 
and misleading. 

Look I care about doing things transparently as much as possible. I am 
working on several such things to enable it.  For example coordinating 
with the fedoranews.org administrator. 
http://www.livejournal.com/users/rahulsundaram/1823.html (feeds from 
http://fedoraproject.org/people) to have a regular flow of news of all 
Fedora related information in a central place which In have proposed to 
feed into news.fedoraproject.org and which will automatically show up in 
the frontpage of http://fedoraproject.org. fedoranews.org site is being 
redesigned to make that happen. see http://fedoranews.org/cms for a 
preview of that. Such things dont happen in a day. We do a lot of work 
behind the scenes for the community at large to be kept informed.  I 
spend several hours editing the wiki on a daily basis  to make changes 
that provides information to the community. see 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RecentChanges. I have worked on the 
release notes extensively and triage bugs when I can. I request 
developers all the time to post information to the lists and thats why I 
am answering mails on this list and fedora forums all through the night 
on a weekend even though my day job has nothing to do with Fedora. How 
about less hostility in return for that?. Fair deal?


-- 
Rahul 

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