IS FC3 stable?

Craig White craigwhite at
Tue Jan 11 05:37:54 UTC 2005

On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 14:04 -0800, Pete wrote:

> Rahul, I guess either I didn't make myself clear enough, or maybe you 
> mis-read what I typed.  An operating system that includes tools to make 
> configuring it easy is not an option.  As far was the point you are 
> worked up about, that was specifically referring to Cyrus/Sendmail not 
> working as installed by the distro.  If you include a package, make it 
> work when you install it.  It's quite possible this type of thinking, we 
> don't need this or that, that holds Linux back.  I mean really, as far 
> as an operating system, it kicks Windows butt.  But in the area of ease 
> of installation and configuration, we could all do to quite belly aching 
> about it not be needed, and just do it and allow Linux to displace 
> windows, once and for all.  Rahul, please step back a moment, how would 
> you like to buy a new car, and have to rewire it, move things around, 
> etc, before you could drive it off the dealers lot.  We've come a long 
> way, but whether you want to admit it or not, we have a long way to go.  
> Let's start walking, instead of claiming we don't need to go.
It would be easy to agree or even disagree with you but you have to view
everything in context.

Red Hat traditionally supplied uw-imap as pop/imap server. Obviously at
some level, the decision was reached that uw-imap doesn't serve the Red
Hat user base as well as others out there and has substituted dovecot in
FC-2 and now puts in Cyrus-IMAP in FC-3. Yes, there is a lack of
utility, a lack of integration and a lack of documentation for making
this setup work but I think that is one of the purposes of Fedora to
incorporate newer technologies and of course, one of the base principles
of Linux growth has been to ship the best available at the time, even
with shortcomings.

RHEL 3 still includes uw-imap and Beta 4 has the same Dovecot and Cyrus-
IMAP offerings as FC-3 and clearly that is the future of RHEL and

There are some who feel it necessary to compare Linux to Windows even to
the point of tossing obligatory comparisons about this feature, ease of
integration and the like. It seems as though these people don't fathom
the bottom line of open source software and probably need to read the
Cathedral and the Bazaar to get the underlying philosophy.


Pay attention to the chapter of release early - release often.

If open source software waited until all features were implemented, all
configurations were simple, all issues resolved, we would have little
interest, little to do, little to talk about.

This is a community of people actively involved in the software
industry, not merely as consumers but also as technical support,
documentation writers, bug reporters, programmers and integrators.

We should resolve to encourage community involvement - not just


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