Enough, already!

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 16:20 +0000, Andy Green wrote:
> Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> 
> >> Do you work for nVidia too then?
> 
> Well?

No man I don't work or have any interest in Nvidia.  In fact I've
switched to ATI cards recently.  What I *do* have an interest in is
supporting the right of people to own their own intellectual property.

> 
> >> I think Kim has a point

>  Yeah he has a point.

No, he does not have a point because 1) he is running a test kernel 2)
he has test-updates enabled 3) You don't run bleeding edge stuff on a
production machine 4) You do not expect Nvidia to release drivers for
test kernels and 5) a fully functional already compiled version of the
Nivida drivers is available on the Livna repository.  It's HIS foul by
using test stuff, not ours.

If you want to help in the development of the distro, you use the test
kernels and packages and furthermore you submit regular bug reports to
bugzilla.  That is the PURPOSE of the testing stuff; it's called
"testing" for a reason. (testing you see is the process of getting shit
to work in the first place.)  IF on the other hand you want production
level results, you use a production-stable fedora (Like FC5) with
accompanying already-compiled drivers; period-dot end of line.



>   I have run the nVidia binary on a box before this 
> laptop and it was a PITA handling kernel updates.  I have also run the 
> same box with nv, it is zero hassle.  I wouldn't've quite dealt with my 
> complaints like Kim did but I could have written a nice rant about it 
> along the same lines against a binary blob,  Yow in fact I did:
> 
> http://warmcat.com/_wp/?p=16

You call it a "binary blob", Nvidia calls it intellectual property.  And
like I've already said, they have the right to their intellectual
property; this isnt communist China and we aren't the ChiComs.  This is
the US and it's United States law.  The flaw is not with people owning
their own intellectual property, it's with your socialist-communist mode
of thinking.

As far as your problems go, everyone has problems from time to time;
however Livna has gone a long way to minimizing those particular types
of problems you talk about.  I have several types of Nvidia and ATI
cards across several different kinds of platforms, and everything is
working.

Have I had problems, sometimes yes.  Have I fixed the problems, always
yes.  Is my stuff working right now?  Yes it is.  Do I whine and bitch
about other people's property and what they own?  No I don't.


> 
> > To make the assertion that Nvidia's decision is arbitrary is flat out
> > stupid.  You are basically saying that they flipped a coin as to wether
> 
> No.  I am saying they made a choice to starve the nv driver of what is 
> in their binary blob.  Which they alone have source for and can donate 
> to the open source nv driver.
> 
> -Andy

Since their "binary blob" is their intellectual property, and since you
don't OWN their intellectual property (nor should you since you don't
have jack invested in it), you simply need to either suck it up and get
your shit to work or change your thinking.  Preferably both.

LX
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