FC5 -> FC6 my experience

[Russell Strong]

Gilboa Davara wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 20:50 +0100, Roo wrote:
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>> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:42:44 -0400, Michael Wiktowy wrote:
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>> The i586 bug is already known about.
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> BZ#?
> Did you follow up on it in the -devel list -before- the release?
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>> The problem is not with "binary drivers". The problem is with the faulty
>> Fedora install... one of many I've had. The post was an immediate report
>> on the installation/upgrade of an FC5 system to FC6. Summary: about the
>> only thing I can say for FC6, is that it's not as crap as FC5. For those
>> not in the know, FC5:
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> Yeah, calling Fedora crap will surely get the attention of the devs to
> your reports. Why didn't I think about it?
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>> Broke my sound card. It was never fixed... had to get a new one.
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> Works just fine here. [TM]
> (On ~20 different machines ranging from a 10 y/o laptop to 2 way dual
> core workstations and 4 way dual core servers)
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>> Broke my graphics card. The GTK developers made sure that anything after
>> GTK 2.6 is so slow as to be laughable. I needed a new graphics card just
>> to make my machine remotely usable. Never fixed -- unlikely to be fixed
>> since GTK gets slower with every release. BTW: The old graphics card
>> worked just fine under Win XP and Qt.
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> Works just fine here. [TM]
> See above.
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>> Broke my USB broadband modem (this was eventually fixed).
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> All USB devices work just fine here [TM].
> (Printers, palm, bluetooth, usbdisks, joysticks, scanners, etc)
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>> All of these were dutifully recorded in bugzilla, and with the exception
>> of the broadband modem all were left to rot. Not forgetting the legion of
>> SELinux problems that I encountered, recorded in detail, only to have them
>> ignored and remain unfixed for two major release at least (privoxy...
>> yes... I'm looking in your direction).
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> As shocking as it sounds, the Fedora devs are -not- your employees and
> are -not- yours to command.
> Yes, some bugs are left for dead and it's -your- job to try to get the
> devs attention if you want them fixed. (Or, better yet, report the
> problem upstream and try to help the devs help you - Gee, now that's a
> novel idea!)
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> On the other hand, you can always bitch and moan. It'll sure get you
> places.
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>> Oh, and BTW: if you are going to accuse people of writing snotty posts...
>> you should probably avoid doing it yourself, and looking like a silly
>> hypocrite.
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> Here's a question for you:
> If Fedora is pure crap (in your eyes), -why- are -you- still using it?
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> - Gilboa
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Well at least you've had a good experience.  I too am finding it 
frustrating.  I've put in quite a bit of my spare time into testing, and 
out of 12 bug reports submitted, 7 are still at the new state.  I get 
the feeling people are too busy to deal with the volume of bug reports.  
Or perhaps my bug reports are too vague due to a lack of knowledge in a 
particular area.  Or perhaps bugzilla is the wrong place to put 
reports.  What ever the reason, I feel like screaming, but think no one 
will hear.  I hope one day to try out FC6 but at the moment I can't get 
past the installer.  Take a look at 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=207270

I would have thought this kind of bug would have been a show stopper.  
Anyway, it certainly is a show stopper now.  I'll have to wait for a 
respin and hope someone with the right knowledge get's enough time to 
take a look at this bug.

Russell