How NSA access was built into Windows

bruce bedouglas at
Tue Jan 16 02:25:32 UTC 2007


if phil ever went to jail... he's not mentioning it....

look th gov't does do enough real scary crap.. without anyone having to
invent sh*t...


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at]On Behalf Of Gene Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 5:46 PM
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Subject: Re: How NSA access was built into Windows

On Monday 15 January 2007 19:57, H.S. wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> several so-called security products, particularly Phil Zimmermans pgp
>> versions SINCE he was released from prison, and one reason that until
>> I'm
>Your source of this information? I don't think he ever went to prison:

Humph, that's the first time I've ever seen that piece of whole cloth.
The Official Story so it seems, note the caps.  And except possibly for
one stitch, the 3 years they mention, the rest of it is exactly that,
whole cloth, freshly dyed to look pretty & make the DOJ look relatively

Obviously you are a younger person than I, possibly by quite a few decades
since I'm a couple years into my 7nth.  Phil was arrested, placed on a
personal recognizance(sp) bond, enjoined from being in the same room with
a computer or having any contact with anyone in the computer field for
the duration of their investigation which was about 3 years, and the only
thing that wikipedia article has that is anywhere near right.  That of
course served the purpose of making it very difficult for him to earn a
living at what he could do best, program.  For Phil, yes, it was a

It was with a huge collective sigh of relief when it was announced that he
was free, and TBT, his eventual release was far more related to the
public hoorah the case generated, which was considerable (I even got in
my senators face about it once, from a distance of maybe 2 feet, easy
when you are the CE at a TV station on the campaign trail) than any lack
of so-called evidence the DOJ may or may not have had.  We all know that
if the DOJ wants to hang onto your ass, they will do it, legal or not.
For a current case, see Jose Padilla, I think they still have him.  What,
5 years now?  No charges that I've read about.  Is he a terrorist?  We
will never know, and that is exactly the message they want to send.
Sorry, but that's not my flavor of Koolaid.  Waaay too much sugar for my
diabetes anyway.

Another history lesson is this:  Winners write it...  And this wikipedia
article's whitewashing of that time period is good evidence of that.  I'd
say just go and ask Phil, but I think one of the conditions of his
freedom is that there can be no discussion of it by him, one way or the
other.  I don't have the machine those messages were on anymore, but if
it hasn't been purged from the wayback machine, messages to that effect
were exchanged on some amiga related lists back then.


Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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