I love IP Tables....
jdow
jdow at earthlink.net
Tue May 29 03:20:22 UTC 2007
From: "David G. Miller" <dave at davenjudy.org>
> From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel at infinity-ltd.com>
>> > David G. Miller wrote:
>>
>>> >> Bruno Wolff III <bruno at wolff.to> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>
>>>> >>> Hey, it's the US, anyone can sue anyone for anything. Whether you
>>>> >>> could
>>>> >>> win would be another question. And even if you won, you probably
>>>> >>> wouldn't
>>>> >>> make money on the deal.
>>>>
>>> >> Not saying this is the perfect solution but think about what happens
>>> >> if
>>> >> we start holding people liable for the damages caused by their
>>> >> zombified
>>> >> Windoze box... Right now, they have almost no incentive to firewall
>>> >> their systems, have an effective anti-virus program running, etc. If
>>> >> you could get sued for the damages your box inflicts on others,
>>> >> people
>>> >> who don't know what they're doing might start *asking* their ISP to
>>> >> stop
>>> >> them from doing any harm and let them know if there's a problem.
>>> >> This is as opposed to the current situation where everyone involved
>>> >> sticks their head firmly in the sand (or elsewhere) and decides it's
>>> >> somebody else's problem. Turning a blind eye to bot nets and zombies
>>> >> is
>>> >> just nuts. The idiots who provide electricity and an internet
>>> >> connection to a bot or zombie need to get charged for the pain they
>>> >> allow others to get hit with. They aren't victims; they're part of
>>> >> the
>>> >> problem.
>>> >>
>>> A better idea - hold the company that produced the defective
>> > software that allows this to happen. After all, they spent how much
>> > convincing people that all you need to do is "point and click" to
>> > administer a Windows box... (OK - with what they can spend on
>> > lawyers and their political clout, you couldn't win in the U.S.)
>>
> We don't hold a manufacturer of any other product liable for how their
> product gets used. Guns are probably the best example. Although there
> have been attempts, gun manufacturers aren't held liable for whatever use
> their product is put to. Likewise, as long as a gun owner takes customary
> and reasonable precautions against unauthorized use (e.g., a gun safe,
> locking away key components, etc.), we don't hold a gun owner liable if
> some steals his gun and then uses it in a crime. On the other hand, if a
> gun owner doesn't take reasonable precautions and someone gets hurt, they
> are not just liable but criminally culpable.
>
> My position is that most if not all of the people providing power and
> connectivity (their system is p0wned by someone else) to zombified systems
> are not taking "customary and reasonable" precautions to ensure their
> computer isn't put to unauthorized use. They should be held liable for
> this. They can either pony up the cash for all of the add-ons that
> Windoze needs to safely connect to the internet or take the time and
> energy to learn how to safely run a Linux or *BSD box.
Who is going to file the first lawsuit against an owner of a zombied system
for sending spam? It should be interesting legal theater.
{^_^}
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