f8: NetworkManager + runlevel 3 problem

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 21:02 -0500, David Boles wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
> > David Boles wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> Do you know of, can you name, another distro where "Wireless" does not
> >> "sucks"? Just curious here because I thought that this a Linux, in
> >> general, driver problem caused by proprietary drivers and not just the
> >> fault of Fedora.
> > 
> > 
> > I know that Ubuntu went to considerable trouble to get Ubuntu working
> > well on laptops a two or three releases ago. I do not know the status of
> > wireless on Ubuntu, but I suspect it's been better in other respects
> > (power management, hibernation) on laptops for a while.
> > 
> > I know wireless on opensuse 10.2 sucks pretty badly, but I really can't
> > say whether other distros do it better or worse.
> > 
> > Not knowing, I crossed out Linux and substituted Fedora.
> > 
> > 
> > In this case, I'm assuming working drivers; I have Atheros-based cards
> > and I can get a working driver for them. Having done that, on Fedora,
> > wireless still sucks.
> > 
> > And my statement is an observation, not an attribution of blame.
> > Attributing blame just gets arguments, but anyone who extols the wonders
> > of Linux wireless networking to a Windows or OS X user deserves derision.
> 
> 
> I was not trying to be 'nasty' John. I asked because I was/am curious.
> My boss wants me to start using a laptop, I do not like laptops, never
> have, but I was looking for some Linux information. The last laptop I
> 'had' my secretary nicknamed 'David's paperweight  ;-)  because that is
> what I used it for mostly.
> 
> As near as I can tell - if you want problems use certain WiFi devices
> and any Linux. Really want problems? Use something, anything, assembled
> by Dell. I do not know why but those seem to be the start of most
> problems and/or complaints that I have read.
> 
> I gather that the WiFi problem is lack of drivers? Which, as I read, is
> a problem with Vista too. The manufacturers waited too long to provide
> Microsoft with generic drivers or to write their own 'good'drivers.
> Video drivers too. It seems that Linux drivers are few and far between.
> 
> As for Dell? I read it is poorly supported, inexpensive hardware, that
> is their major problem. Again this I do *not* know. I have never owned,
> or used, anything Dell. I only know what I have read and what I have
> been told by others.
> 
> Your thoughts on any of this?
My DELL Latitude D810 works flawlessly wired and wireless. I own 4 Dells
and they all work except the 2000 Optiplex which worked until FC6 came
along. After that f7 and Ubuntu refused to recognise its audio card.
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