Can Java just shoot me?
Les Mikesell
lesmikesell at gmail.com
Sat Nov 24 18:21:14 UTC 2007
Chris G wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:49:33AM -0800, Knute Johnson wrote:
>>> Chris G wrote:
>>>> [snip me not liking Java and you saying it's the way to do something]
>>>>
>>>> OK, you have a case where Java is useful/necessary, that doesn't mean
>>>> that *many* (or even most) uses of Java in web applications are good
>>>> and necessary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fundamentally I don't think we disagree! :-)
>>> I disagree. Usable java is the way out of monopoly control of web
>>> browsers (and hardware as well). It's unfortunate that alternative
>>> operating systems haven't worked to provide it.
> But Java doesn't have very much to do with 99% of what a browser shows
> you.
Of course not - how can anyone depend on a client having a compatible
version to display it? If every OS, including those on phones, game
consoles, and similar devices, supplied a working jvm, it would be used
for all sorts of things that aren't portable now.
> It's just a way of running client side applications. At least
> that's what the Java plugin (which is what provoked this whole thread)
> is for.
Think of that as anything that isn't a static html page...
> How will Java be "the way out of monopoly control of web browsers"?
> It's the people who write an maintain Firefox and other 'freeware'
> browsers who are doing that surely.
They have to do it because they can't count on java applets working.
> Using Java as a general purpose programming language is a whole
> different ball game, it's something I'm involved in where I work but
> it has nothing whatever to do with browsers or the web.
And you have no interest in remote execution without being locked into
specific hardware or operating systems?
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Les Mikesell
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