F8 update kills KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 20:23 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> --- Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 12:00 -0700, Antonio Olivares
> > wrote:
> > > --- Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 11:39 -0430, Patrick
> > > > O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 13:09 +0000, Kevin
> > Kofler
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > max <maximilianbianco <at> gmail.com>
> > writes:
> > > > > > > I wish I had something useful to offer
> > here
> > > > but I tried KDE on Fedora 
> > > > > > > when I first loaded F7. Second class
> > ctizen.
> > > > It appears that is still 
> > > > > > > the case. Perhaps the Fedora KDE lovers
> > are
> > > > not vocal enough...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That's not true. What he ran into was just a
> > bug
> > > > (which should be fixed 
> > > > > > already, crossing fingers).
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's true to the extent that many people
> > > > (including RedHat people)
> > > > > assume one is using Gnome, and most or all of
> > the
> > > > documentation also
> > > > > makes this assumption, especially when
> > explaining
> > > > how to do stuff from
> > > > > the GUI. It's fair to say that Fedora is a
> > > > Gnome-centred distro that
> > > > > *also* supports KDE.
> > > > +1 for KDE!!! Ric
> > > > 
> > > I hate to disagree with you guys on this one.  KDE
> > is
> > > also given equal treatment in my own humble
> > opinion. 
> > > Fedora is so committed to getting working that KDE
> > > 4.0.3 is on Rawhide and while things might not be
> > > trouble free in KDE, it is somewhat looking good. 
> > 
> > In no way did I want to:
> > 
> > a) Say anything at all about KDE 4, because I've
> > only tried it briefly
> > on a Live CD.
> > 
> > b) Start a discussion about the technical merits of
> > KDE vs Gnome.
> > 
> > If that's what you think my comment was about, I'm
> > afraid you missed the
> > point. I stand by what I said already. This is not a
> > technical argument,
> > it's about the orientation of both the Fedora docs
> > (official and
> > unofficial) and a fair amount of the traffic on this
> > list. Unless the
> > topic is specifically about some KDE issue, the
> > underlying assumption is
> > that one is using Gnome. In other words, Fedora is a
> > Gnome-oriented
> > distro that also supports KDE.
> > 
> > poc
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> 
> Agree :)  Like Ric said this is not a KDE vs Gnome
> discussion.  Although I expressed my opinion about how
> things are going right now.  I know that your last
> statement has very strong sentiments, but the tide is
> turning and there are many users here that prefer KDE
> and would not install Gnome for anything in the world.

I don't know if it's actually *possible* to install Fedora without
Gnome, but I take your point.

>  I cannot show by statistics that they are equal and
> receive equal treatment, but I know that both are
> being worked on hard by the developers and that yes  
> 
> Fedora is a Gnome-oriented distro that also supports
> KDE.  You should add that XFCE is also joining the
> mix, thanks to Rahul who also produced a installable
> Xfce livecd and shared it with us so that users with
> slow machines could still install Fedora but not with
> KDE or Gnome.  Throught these efforts Fedora is
> becoming better and better.  

Fair enough. My original post was in answer to a question about whether
KDE was a "second-class citizen" in Fedora, which is why I didn't
mention other desktops, but of course the same comments apply to them as
well.

Cheers

poc