why all are thinking in that way only?

[Parshwa Murdia]

linux boxes in the local cybercafe in india is not there, 99% of cyber cafe
are using windows only. even people don't know anything what's there in the
cyber cafe, they have the habbit of saying anything in vain!!

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>   1. Re: A way to use wine to run eprom updates for DVD drives? (stan)
>   2. re: F9 NFS install fails (Gianluca Cecchi)
>   3. Re: Mirror bandwidth and user redirection (Patrick O'Callaghan)
>   4. Re: Xfce xfburn missing? (Wong Kwok-hon)
>   5. Re: Xfce xfburn missing? (Rahul Sundaram)
>   6. PPTP VPN (tony.chamberlain at lemko.com)
>   7. Re: Regarding the keylogger in the linux fedora systems
>      (Kevin Martin)
>   8. Re: F9 NFS install fails (Tim)
>   9. Re: Selinux and awstats (Claude Jones)
>  10. Re: Online resizing NTFS & ext3 (Axel Thimm)
>  11. Re: ifdown. is it really down? (Bruno Wolff III)
>  12. Re: Dependency resolution failed (Bruno Wolff III)
>  13. Re: Mirror bandwidth and user redirection (Ed Greshko)
>  14. Re: Hardware browser?? (Beartooth)
>  15. Dual Athlon cpu (Mike Chambers)
>  16. Re: png2txt - (Paul Smith)
>  17. Re: why all are thinking in that way only? (Bruno Wolff III)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:19:23 -0700
> From: stan <goedigi89__e at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: A way to use wine to run eprom updates for DVD drives?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4868DD5B.4060106 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Roberto Malinverni wrote:
> >> -----Messaggio originale-----
> >> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:09:15 -0700
> >> From: stan <goedigi89__e at cox.net>
> >> Subject: A way to use wine to run eprom updates for DVD drives?
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The subject says it all.  Is there a way to use wine to
> >> update the BIOS
> >> on DVD drives (and other devices)?  When I tried it, it just hung the
> >> process.
> >>
> >> Or another way, without using Windows (I don't have any MS OS)?
> >>
> >
> > It depends on the brand of your drives: NEC/OPTIARC can be flashed
> natively
> > in Linux
> > thanks to binflash (it can use both exe and bin files).
> >
> Don't have NEC.
> > In other cases, you have to use something like a "Windows live cd" (I
> don't
> > remember the link, but you need a copy of the XP install CD anyway) or a
> > good old DOS floppy boot disk.
> > Roberto.
> >
> That's what I thought, but wanted to check.  :-(
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:20:03 +0200
> From: "Gianluca Cecchi" <gianluca.cecchi at gmail.com>
> Subject: re: F9 NFS install fails
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID:
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> I successfully installed some days ago f9 x86_64 this way on a laptop:
> - on F9 x86 server I have f9_x86_64.iso file and mount it as a loop
> device; then I export the mounted path via nfs
> - on laptop I install f9_x86_64 via nfs.
>
> Note that in my case I used an usb key as boot device for the laptop.
> For doing that I had to use the diskboot.img from f8 and then
> overwrite kernel and initrd with what provided in boot.iso of f9.
> I also had to delete the splash image because the new files didn't fit
> on the size of the f8 media.
> But the installation went fine.
>
> I don't know if you can boot from usb, though....
>
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:51:40 -0430
> From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Mirror bandwidth and user redirection
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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> On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 23:46 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> > The basic selection algorithm for choosing
> > the order in which to return mirrors to clients remains the same:
> > prefer same netblocks, internet2 in same country if on internet2, same
> > country, same continent, then global, in that order.
>
> That's totally logical, but it's wrong for some cases. Here in Venezuela
> there is much better bandwidth to the US than to anywhere else in South
> America, so the "same continent" rule is not going to work for us. I
> suspect the same is true for some other SA countries.
>
> Also, for the relatively few people on Internet2 it's always better than
> Internet1, at least here. I mean Internet2 to anywhere is better than
> Internet1 to the same city.
>
> poc
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:38:21 +0800
> From: "Wong Kwok-hon" <kwokhon at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Xfce xfburn missing?
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <de611a300806300638k395bea44r1edc72b680da7ada at mail.gmail.com>
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> So it is crossed ? I meant it used gnome apps... not Xfce itself...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Rahul Sundaram
> <sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > Wong Kwok-hon wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I used xfce and feel it is faster but I cannot found the xfburn so I
> >> cannot burn CD/DVD.
> >>
> >> Would you tell me where can I get the xfburn rpm ?
> >
> > Xfburn is not in Fedora because it was unreliable. Xfce team uses
> GnomeBaker
> > instead. Brasero can also be used as a alternative.
> >
> > Rahul
> >
> > --
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> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:15:49 +0530
> From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: Xfce xfburn missing?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4868E38D.2080306 at fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Wong Kwok-hon wrote:
> > So it is crossed ? I meant it used gnome apps... not Xfce itself...
>
> Not sure what you mean. Xfburn and gnomebaker just uses GTK. There is
> nothing desktop environment specific about them.
>
> Rahul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:48:38 +0000
> From: tony.chamberlain at lemko.com
> Subject: PPTP VPN
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Cc: "Brown, Jake" <jbrown at intelegra.biz>
> Message-ID: <W332371870896741214833718 at webmail36>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>  Fedora user's group:
>
> I installed the PPTP VPN on a client to connect via pptpvpn to a server
> which is running it. I used pptpconfig to config the network. When I
> connect, the VPN runs fine. I looked in pptpconfig and saw it does a
>
>  /usr/sbin/pppd call myserver logfd 1 updetach persist
>
> (I used "myserver" in this mail instead of the actual name). So I made a
> file
> /etc/init.d/pptpvpn where under start) I do the above (along with some
> checking,
> etc). This also works nicely, when I but (after chkconfig on) the VPN comes
> up and I can connect.
>
> Problem is, if somehow the pptp process dies, if it is in /etc/init.d it
> won't start up
> automatically again (which I need), so instead I transfered to
> /etc/inittab:
>
>  vp:35:respawn:/usr/sbin/pppd call myserver logfd 1 updetach persist
>
> A "kill -1 1" or reboot will start this, but a ps just shows two processes
> with that
> but I can't ping. A few minutes later it shows two processes again but with
> new
> PIDs. Then a few minutes later two new processes with the same parameters
> (there are only 2 at a time). I can't ping anything on the VPN either (and
> I do
> add the routes in ip-up.local so from the /etc/rc5.d script it starts up
> the route).
>
> Anyway how can I either modify my script in /etc/init.d (linked to
> /etc/rc*.d) to respawn
> in the (unlikely but possible) case the process dies, or modify
> /etc/inittab to work
> correctly?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:56:01 -0500
> From: Kevin Martin <kevintm at ameritech.net>
> Subject: Re: Regarding the keylogger in the linux fedora systems
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4868E5F1.1050304 at ameritech.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
>
> Frank Murphy wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 10:19 +0200, Andrew Kelly wrote:
> >
> > Would not a simple: script -a some.log
> > do the trick re terminal without compromising pw(s)
> > Have it launched when a console is opened?
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> The individual may also want to log IRC, IM, etc.  Even "messaging" in
> online games might want to be logged...depends on how crafty the
> kids/spouse/whoever are.
>
> K
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:32:52 +0930
> From: Tim <ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: Re: F9 NFS install fails
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1214834572.4004.1.camel at gonzales.lan.cameratim.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Tim:
> >> Wouldn't a DVD ISO be too large to fit on a FAT drive?  I thought
> >> they had a 2 gig file size limit.
>
> Craig White:
> > mkfs can format up to 32 GB vfat volumes last time I checked. I
> > believe that Windows can format larger.
>
> That's partition sizing, my comment was about file size limits.  I can't
> recall at what point the mickeysoft file system got past that limit.
>
> --
> [tim at localhost ~]$ uname -r
> 2.6.25.6-55.fc9.i686
>
> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.  I
> read messages from the public lists.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:37:01 -0400
> From: Claude Jones <cjones at levitjames.com>
> Subject: Re: Selinux and awstats
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <200806301037.01651.cjones at levitjames.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Mon June 30 2008, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >
> > Well you can remove the emacs back up file.
> >
> > /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts.local~
> >
>
> I did that
>
> > Everything looks fine.
> >
> > If you execute
> >
> > matchpathcon /var/lib/awstats
> >
> > Does it report an error now?
>
> Seems it does:
>
> # matchpathcon /var/lib/awstats
> /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: Multiple different
> specifications for /usr/share/awstats/wwwroot/cgi-bin(/.*)?
> (system_u:object_r:httpd_sys_script_exec_t:s0 and
> system_u:object_r:httpd_awstats_script_exec_t:s0).
> /var/lib/awstats        system_u:object_r:awstats_var_lib_t
> --
> Claude Jones
> Brunswick, MD, USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:55:43 +0300
> From: Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net>
> Subject: Re: Online resizing NTFS & ext3
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20080630145543.GA3499 at victor.nirvana>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 07:48:35PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> > Axel Thimm wrote:
> >> I have a running F9 installation where I want to move some free space
> >> from the NTFS partition to Fedora's.
> >
> > It is important to understand how your disk is configured. (LVM?)
> >
> > Please post the output of
> >
> >   fdisk -l /dev/sda
> >   df
> >
> > things like those.
>
> I was hoping the solution would be generic, but here is my specific
> setup:
>
> # /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x79b87714
>
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1               1         192     1536000   27  Unknown
> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> /dev/sda2   *         192        7488    58609664    7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sda3            7489        7501      104422+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda4            7502       14593    56966490    5  Extended
> /dev/sda5            7502       14593    56966458+  8e  Linux LVM
> --
> Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:20:59 -0500
> From: Bruno Wolff III <bruno at wolff.to>
> Subject: Re: ifdown. is it really down?
> To: g <geleem at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: for users of fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20080630132059.GA27553 at wolff.to>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:14:29 +0000,
>  g <geleem at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > i am currently using f8 with most of updates install. not sure if
> ifup/ifdown
> > is among them.
> >
> > i have a growing concern about operation of ifup and ifdown.
> >
> > i am noticing that when i 'ifdown eth0' is still see flashing of ethernet
> led
> > on a 2wire 2701hg-b dsl modem.
> >
> > it was my understanding that using ifup and ifdown that this 2 commands
> would
> > bring ethernet connection up and down, but ethernet led on modem is now
> making
> > me believe other wise.
>
> I don't believe that it is normal to power down the device when ifdown is
> run. So the device will still flash is traffic is sent to it.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:25:45 -0500
> From: Bruno Wolff III <bruno at wolff.to>
> Subject: Re: Dependency resolution failed
> To: stan <goedigi89__e at cox.net>
> Cc: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20080630132545.GB27553 at wolff.to>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 18:31:35 -0700,
>  stan <goedigi89__e at cox.net> wrote:
> > Luis Orlindo Tedeschi wrote:
> >> Folks; I've been trying to update Fedora 9 since last week and I keep
> >> getting Dependency Resolution Failed. It says Missing Dependency:
> >> tcl-devel = 1:8.5.1 is needed by package 1:tk-devel: 8.5.1-4.fc9.i386.
> >> Does anyone have a solution for this? Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >>
> > It is trivial to do the following.  (as root)
> > yum list updates > updates
> > Edit updates to leave only the packages.  Put #! /bin/bash at the top.
>
> You don't need to do that any more. Yum will skip the broken packages.
> (I don't think skip_broken is the default, so you probably want to add
> that option to /etc/yum.conf .)
>
> > When I was using rawhide I automated this with scripts and python
> > programs (well, more sophisticated than this).  There are almost always
> > dependency errors in rawhide, so you would never get any updates if you
> > didn't do something like this.
>
> Things should be much better now. (THe change happened during the F9
> rawhide
> period.) Only some file conflicts which are detected after the packages to
> be updated are selected, cause all updates to fail.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:12:45 +0800
> From: Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko at greshko.com>
> Subject: Re: Mirror bandwidth and user redirection
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4868F7ED.4090008 at greshko.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 23:46 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> >> The basic selection algorithm for choosing
> >> the order in which to return mirrors to clients remains the same:
> >> prefer same netblocks, internet2 in same country if on internet2, same
> >> country, same continent, then global, in that order.
> >
> > That's totally logical, but it's wrong for some cases. Here in Venezuela
> > there is much better bandwidth to the US than to anywhere else in South
> > America, so the "same continent" rule is not going to work for us. I
> > suspect the same is true for some other SA countries.
>
> The same is also true for Asia.  I would hope that the "same continent"
> rule
> has a tad bit more smarts in it.
>
> > Also, for the relatively few people on Internet2 it's always better than
> > Internet1, at least here. I mean Internet2 to anywhere is better than
> > Internet1 to the same city.
> >
> > poc
> >
>
>
> --
> Children begin by loving their parents.  After a time they judge them.
> Rarely, if ever, do they forgive them.
>                -- Oscar Wilde
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:16:23 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Beartooth <Beartooth at swva.net>
> Subject: Re: Hardware browser??
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <pan.2008.06.30.15.16.22 at swva.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:36:53 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 18:44 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
> >>      Fedora always used to have a hardware browser; for a while it had
> >> two, one with endless cryptic detail, and one highly simplified.
> >>
> >>      Now I find neither. Has it (or have they) been renamed? Can I add
> >> it with yum? Some other way?
> >>
> >>
> > yum install lshw-gui
> >
> > should see you sorted.
>
>        Hmm ... Neat name, impressive command; but is there a way to make
> it usable by subtechnoids? Can I pipe the -xml or -html options into a
> browser, for instance? Or something into baobab for it to use as labels?
>
>        Most recent example : I got the livna display configuration kmod-
> nvidia stuff, and it helped; but it didn't tell me whether to use the
> nvidia configurator or the livna one, or both; and the livna page warned
> me that I might have any of several cards.
>
>        I'd like to check that last, and tackle it again. One of the old
> hardware browsers, iirc, would have enabled even me to find out what
> video card I have. (An electronic friend is kind enough to assemble
> machines to meet my budget, every year or three; but I never needed to
> know one video card from another -- till I got this blankety-blank new
> monitor ...)
>
>
> --
> Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert
> Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6;
> nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers
> Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:17:59 -0500
> From: Mike Chambers <mike at miketc.com>
> Subject: Dual Athlon cpu
> To: Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1214839079.20797.11.camel at scrappy.miketc.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Running dual athlons using the i386 (or 686 depending the package) F9
> release (this is an x86_64 system), is there some services that need to
> be enabled for them to be maximized in their use?  Things such as
> cpuspeed and such need to be on?  In other words (and not that
> knowledgeable in this area), can you even tell if it's being used
> correctly, and if your just doing small things, such as checking email,
> browsing, those type things, is it used then as well, or more for when
> doing things like compiling one program, then doing all the other stuff
> like normal?
>
> Hope I worded my question right LOL
>
> --
> Mike Chambers
> Fedora Project - Ambassador, Bug Zapper, Tester, User, etc..
> mikec302 at fedoraproject.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:26:22 +0100
> From: "Paul Smith" <phhs80 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: png2txt -
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <6ade6f6c0806300826k3359afe2sa9ed1257ade768d3 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Bob Goodwin USA
> <bobgoodwin at wildblue.net> wrote:
> > fred smith wrote:
> >>>>> Is there an F8 application that will convert a .png copy of a text
> list
> >>>>> to a text file?
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> png is a picture file and there is no text.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you want OCR (optical character recognition - software that scans a
> >>>> picture for recognizable text and saves the recognized text to a
> file),
> >>>> I would suggest tesseract.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, I will look at that.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I believe that Tesseract only understands TIF files, so you will need
> >> to convert the png before you can OCR them.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Yes, I discovered that requirement but now I am stumped by -
> >
> >   The command line is:
> >   tesseract <image.tif> <output> [-l langid]
> >
> > I thought "-l enUS" might work but no go there.
> >
> > There's no man page, only a README and that doesn't tell me about the
> langid
> > other than it wants it.  Without it I get very strange looking text.
>
> Unfortunately, the OCR programs working in Linux are not very good
> yet. In case you have access to Acrobat Professional, use it instead;
> the results are usually excellent.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:33:25 -0500
> From: Bruno Wolff III <bruno at wolff.to>
> Subject: Re: why all are thinking in that way only?
> To: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan at gmail.com>
> Cc: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <20080630133325.GC27553 at wolff.to>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 00:12:45 -0430,
>  Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 09:56 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
> > > when i asked for the keylogger in my system, why people thought of
> > > illegal
> > > activities only? it is MINE system and for use only in my system, i am
> > > asking and further more, like one must have knowledge of viruses and
> > > then
> > > only he can create an antivirus, similarly it is for the knowledge of
> > > keylogger to prevent the thefts
> >
> > Because most people associate keyloggers with spying, and you didn't say
> > why you wanted it. If you had given this perfectly reasonable
> > explanation in the first place, I doubt anyone would have objected.
>
> Right, because if he was planning on installing a keylogger on the linux
> boxes in the local cybercafe, he would have been sure to tell us that and
> not make up some story about just using it on his machine to learn how to
> look for keyloggers other people had installed.
>
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