That thread - Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?

[Pete Snider]

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:24 AM, stan <goedigi89__e at cox.net> wrote:
> Joonas Sarajärvi wrote:
>>
>> 2008/7/7, pds <pds100 at gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:13:01 -0500
>>> Rex Dieter <rdieter at math.unl.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> pds wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When features are in KDE3.5 work better than the newer version,
>>>>> I'll ask for the older version back anytime.  You want specific
>>>>> examples:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there are a multitude of specific examples where kde4 is better.
>>>> This is certainly not constructive feedback.  Sigh, if you like kde3,
>>>> fine, stick with Fedora 8.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's about choice, NOT what is better about KDE4 its more about what
>>> is MISSING! If you can't understand that some users work in a specific
>>> way or need to work in a specific way then.....
>>>
>>> There could be other reason why I want or might even need Fedora 9, but
>>> that is my choice. I would like a choice at least better KDE3.5 and KDE
>>> 4.x until 4.x has all the features of 3.5.
>>>
>>
>> Who determines the moment when KDE 4 has all the features of KDE 3.5?
>> KDE 4 series is so different from KDE 3 that people will keep
>> discovering "missing" things in KDE 4 for years.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I also think a complete previous revision should be supplied until
>>>>> the next revision is functionally equivalent.  This will give USER
>>>>> the choice
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please read the FAQ again.  I would *love* to be able to provide just
>>>> that, and asked developers point-blank if this is something
>>>> possible(1) or supported.  Answer was no.
>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/KDE4FAQ
>>>>
>>>> (1) without horrible hacks or FHS violations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm.... The FAQ provide some information, but not exactly what I was
>>> asking.  What I really read was, that there was not enough resources
>>> to provide both KDE3.5 and KDE4.0 with ONLY one installed at a time.
>>> I didn't ask to have both kde4 & kde3 installed at the same time.  Yes,
>>> there will always be ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
>>>
>>
>> That could have been possible, but it would have taken a great load of
>> effort to keep maintaining two different, conflicting sets of KDE
>> packages. It would also probably have been very problematic when one
>> happens to have packages from both the sets.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I'll consider this dead since there was a conscious decision to force
>>> this issue.  I'll look at other distros or methods or means to obtain
>>> the features I need. so long...
>>>
>>
>> It's good that there are dozens of distributions shipping a very
>> polished KDE 3.5 desktop, so that you can keep using it... for now.
>> Gradually most of the distributions will stop supporting KDE 3 series.
>> Fedora has traditionally been a very forward-looking distro, and has
>> done so at an early stage, just as they have done so on many other
>> occasions.
>>
>> If your desires conflict with the objectives of the distribution you
>> are using and you don't want to just put up with the differences, you
>> are better off using an alternative,
>>
>>
>
> This was well said.
> All those other distributions that use KDE 3.5 until forced to switch
> to KDE 4.x will benefit from the (beta) testing that occurs in Fedora.  So
> if you are
> complaining about KDE 4.x and want to contribute but don't want to invest
> time in
> helping the KDE team directly, submit bugzillas of the things that are
> broken.  That too
> is helpting with development as you point out the things that are not
> functioning.  The
> classic feedback loop.  If you don't feedback, the system goes where it
> will.  Who knows, you
> might even be able to influence the design direction.  :-)

A bug for the background problem was submitted to KDE bug tracker.

>
> And if you don't want to contribute anything, want other people to do it all
> for you, well, you'll
> have to wait.  As Joonas, and others, have said, there are lots of
> distributions and Fedora 8
> still using KDE 3.5 for you to use while you're waiting.
>
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