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[Allen Meyers]

I am new to both linux and fedora and I dearly love what I have experienced 
thus far except for e-mail. Now because I receive a fair share and must 
answer it would be nice to be able to do so from my linux program, but that 
has eluded me thus far.
My DSL and e-mail provider is att yahoo and I get these nasty notes that I 
am sending and receiving not within the scope of their SSL protocol. Would 
they shut me down? I have not a clue. Is there anyone out there with a 
viable option. Would I not experience the same thing with a fetch it program 
of some sort.

Allen

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>   1. Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel? (max)
>   2. Re: Again - F9 default web browser (Barry Yu)
>   3. Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!?
>      (Bruno Wolff III)
>   4. No streams available (Colin Paul Adams)
>   5. Re: sendmail (Bill Davidsen)
>   6. Re: No streams available (Colin Paul Adams)
>   7. Re: Sunday Morning idle queries ?? (Bill Davidsen)
>   8. Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? (Bill Davidsen)
>   9. [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Don Levey)
>  10. NetworkManager working only for root user. (Eby John)
>  11. Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Phil Meyer)
>  12. Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug (Paul Smith)
>  13. Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!? (William Case)
>  14. Re: F9: Problem with Services tool (Dan Thurman)
>  15. Re: How long does it take Anaconda to write / format new
>      partition table (F9) (Nat Gross)
>  16. Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse
>      (Deron Meranda)
>  17. Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Don Levey)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:04:09 -0400
> From: max <maximilianbianco at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4874E179.90305 at gmail.com>
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> Andrew Kelly wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 08:35 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
>>> On Monday 07 July 2008 20:37:33 Tom Horsley wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:51:51 +0100
>>>>
>>>> Alan Cox <alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Binary modules usually last only a few releases before changes in the
>>>>> kernel break them by accident anyway so I would assume that if a 
>>>>> binary
>>>>> driver vendor goes under the clock is ticking.
>>>> I wouldn't say "by accident" - It has been my experience that
>>>> most of the time, the breakage is not only highly deliberate, but
>>>> triggered mostly by the high incidence of extreme OCD which kernel
>>>> developers seem to suffer from, causing them to make fantastic
>>>> wholesale changes to driver interfaces for utterly trivial
>>>> cosmetic reasons which add no stability or functionality, but
>>>> merely relieve their obsessive need to correct some "flaw" which
>>>> no one else can perceive :-).
>>> Why is it considered OK to insult people on a mailing list, when you 
>>> wouldn't
>>> to their face?
>>>
>>> Anne
>>
>> It's not actually considered OK, Anne, it's just human nature at work
>> and continuing evidence of the decline of society. People often lose
>> their decorum when there is no immediate need to display it, which is a
>> direct result of people adopting specific behavior NOT because it is
>> correct or acceptable, but because they are wary or in fear of the
>> consequences if they do not. And THAT mindset is the direct result of
>> society's choice to attempt to legislate morality rather than live it or
>> breath it, or teach it by example.
>>
>> [panpan panpan panpan]
>> Big soap box there, gotta get off quick before I type my fingers
>> bloody..
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know you, Anne, but I like you already.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
> Which book do you often recommend reading? It doesn't have to be 
> technical.
>
> Max
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Barry Yu <barryyu-cts at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Again - F9 default web browser
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <707152.78290.qm at web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
>
> Anne Wilson <cannewilson at googlemail.com> wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2008 
> 15:32:24 Barry Yu wrote:
>> In System => Preferences => Personal => Preferred Applications, the 
>> Firefox
>> is already been selected as default web browser and the firefox icon is
>> showing on top panel, however everytime when I made some web links as 
>> short
>> cut on desktop and I clicked on it, the Kongueror is always brought up
>> instead of Firefox. Same computer previous F8 had no such strange thing.
>
> Is this F9+ KDE?  If so, System Settings > Advanced tab > File 
> Associations.
> Put html into the search box and check the settings for each entry - xhtml
> and html.
>
> Anne
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:21:05 -0500
> From: Bruno Wolff III <bruno at wolff.to>
> Subject: Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!?
> To: William Case <billlinux at rogers.com>
> Cc: Fedora List <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20080709162105.GA27368 at wolff.to>
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> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:15:19 -0400,
>  William Case <billlinux at rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone found a really annoying, really persistent alarm program or
>> applet that can find you anywhere?  What, from your personal experience,
>> would you recommend?
>
> Put a shutdown command in crontab. That should get your attention.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:28:57 +0100
> From: Colin Paul Adams <colin at colina.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: No streams available
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <m3vdzff2d2.fsf at colina.demon.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I just tried installing skype 2.0 on my Fedora 9 x86_64 box. But it
> said problem with audio playback when i tried to make a call.
>
> So I opened the ALSA mixer. It says no streams avaialble.
>
> Why doesn't sound work?
> -- 
> Colin Adams
> Preston Lancashire
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:35:57 -0400
> From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
> Subject: Re: sendmail
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4874E8ED.4060507 at tmr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> chloe K wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> how can I resend the undeliverable from 5 days to 3 days
>>
> Doesn't your sendmail retry by itself every once in a while? Mine all
> do, I'll occasionally get a warning email that a message couldn't be
> delivered for 4 hours, and later I get a reply, so I know it was 
> delivered.
>
> I think my FC[89] sendmail is stock, save for listening on all addresses
> so I can get incoming mail.
>
> -- 
> Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:34:53 +0100
> From: Colin Paul Adams <colin at colina.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: No streams available
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <m3r6a3f236.fsf at colina.demon.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams <colin at colina.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>    Colin> I just tried installing skype 2.0 on my Fedora 9 x86_64
>    Colin> box. But it said problem with audio playback when i tried
>    Colin> to make a call.
>
>    Colin> So I opened the ALSA mixer. It says no streams avaialble.
>
>    Colin> Why doesn't sound work?
>
> Hm. Audacity works. So does RythmBox. I guess it's not so simple.
> -- 
> Colin Adams
> Preston Lancashire
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:44:43 -0400
> From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
> Subject: Re: Sunday Morning idle queries ??
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4874EAFB.6030502 at tmr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> William Case wrote:
>> Thanks Patrick;
>>
>> Just a little note below that does not require a response.
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 08:12 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 13:05 -0400, William Case wrote:
>>>> Hi Max and Patrick;
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 10:40 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 10:16 -0400, William Case wrote:
>>>>>> Hi;
>> [snip]
>>>> I have been thinking about your suggestions all morning.  I have 
>>>> decided
>>>> to develop the following strategy.  If you have a better suggestion let
>>>> me know.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Start by using mainly cut and paste from wherever I can find info.
>>>> 2) Using NoteCase in conjunction with FreeMind to begin organizing data
>>>> conceptually and storing the details.
>>>> 3) Begin with hardware (and perhaps the prerequisite drivers even if
>>>> drivers are technically software) so that I can develop a basic
>>>> understanding of the physical limitations and problems that software 
>>>> has
>>>> to overcome for each different type of use.
>>>> 4) As I go through the hardware list, perhaps I will pickup the
>>>> applicability and use of various pieces of software.
>>>> 5) So far I have the following list of hardware, off the top of my 
>>>> head,
>>>> that seems to play a role:
>>>>         RJ45; Twisted Pair Cable
>>>>         CATV; Coaxial Cable
>>>>         USB
>>>>         Wireless
>>>>         NIC
>>>>         RAM (how used for sockets, caches, DMA etc. by media hardware)
>>>>         Audio Card/Chip
>>>>         Video Card/chip
>>>>         CD/DVD Drive
>>>>         CD Disk
>>>>         DVD Disk
>>>>         Digital Still Picture Camera
>>>>         Digital Video Camera
>>>>         WebCam
>>>>         TV Tuners
>>>>
>>>>         Any suggestions of additions or deletions gratefully accepted.
>>> You'll end up writing the Encyclopedia of Computer Hardware. Very much
>>> off the top if my head, I think it would be better first to establish a
>>> frame of reference: start with a quick survey of the basic principles of
>>> digital media, such as the A/D and D/A conversion, compression and
>>> packetizing techniques, streaming, buffering and synchronization, then a
>>> discussion of the various popular wrapper formats (Quicktime, Real,
>>> Flash, DVD etc.). After that, you can get into specifics of how the
>>> multiple architectures that have evolved allow us to deal with all this
>>> (or not).
>>
>> I have popped your suggestions into my outline.  I have to find out what
>> A/D and D/A conversion is.  (I haven't looked it up yet).
>
> Analog to digital, digital to analog. One and zeros vs. voltage, more or
> less.
>>
>> Actually, I have managed to read and cut and paste about half the
>> hardware specs and/or data sheets since yesterday.  It is not that
>> difficult for me.  I have traced already how basic I/O, how CPU and
>> memory work; from wall plug to initd.  I now know where to look for
>> tutorials, manuals, data sheets and schematics for most computer
>> hardware and software parts and pieces now.  I have taught myself C so I
>> could read source code.  I used to make my living analyzing programs,
>> policies and businesses; pulling them apart and putting them back
>> together looking for logic gaps and then documenting my findings.  I am
>> retired so I have the time; and I enjoy coming to understand new things;
>> and get extremely frustrated when I don't.
>>
>> If I keep everything focused on my own system, as it currently exists,
>> it shouldn't be that difficult and could be useful to others.  My system
>> is no where out of the norm.
>>
>> Bragging a little; and putting things into perspective for me and you.
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:47:09 -0400
> From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't get CNN video sound ??
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Cc: oh2dt at sral.fi
> Message-ID: <4874EB8D.6090203 at tmr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Anne Wilson wrote:
>> On Thursday 03 July 2008 20:39:58 Antti J. Huhtala wrote:
>>> to, 2008-07-03 kello 20:19 +0100, Anne Wilson kirjoitti:
>>>> On Thursday 03 July 2008 20:08:25 William Case wrote:
>>>>> I am somewhat of a media newbie.  In F8 I was able to setup/get sound
>>>>> with videos.  YouTube and CNN for example, remain silent for me in F9.
>>>> Silly question, Bill.  Have you looked at mixer settings?  It seems 
>>>> that
>>>> there are many hidden channels on a lot of sound card, hidden, that is,
>>>> on the mixer applet, so it's possible that PCM or some such is muted or
>>>> set very low.
>>>>
>>>> Anne
>>> It's not quite that simple, I'm afraid. CNN and Youtube are silent here,
>>> too. A week or so ago I was listening to some favourites of mine on
>>> Youtube but today it is silent even if video still works all right. I'd
>>> suspect one of the recent updates. This may have something to do with
>>> another thread, "Re: problems with rhythmbox after updating to
>>> udev-124-1.fc9.1"-
>>>
>> Hmm - I can't check my Fedora box tonight, but I'll look at it tomorrow.
>>
> Mine worked.
>
> -- 
> Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:45:01 -0400
> From: Don Levey <fedora-list at the-leveys.us>
> Subject: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4874EB0D.8080208 at the-leveys.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when I
> ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get is:
>
> GRUB
>
> at the top left of my screen.  Does this mean I need to reinstall grub
> and the MBR?  I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems*
> OK from what I can tell.  Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>  -Don
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:47:54 +0000
> From: "Eby John" <ebyjohn at gmail.com>
> Subject: NetworkManager working only for root user.
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID:
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> i am using fc9. networkmanager does not show up on the taskbar if am 
> logged
> in as a normal user. how do i enable it for everyone?
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:56:46 -0600
> From: Phil Meyer <pmeyer at themeyerfarm.com>
> Subject: Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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> Don Levey wrote:
>> My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when
>> I ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get
>> is:
>>
>>     GRUB
>>
>> at the top left of my screen.  Does this mean I need to reinstall grub
>> and the MBR?  I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems*
>> OK from what I can tell.  Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>  -Don
>>
>
> This condition occurs whenever the BIOS changes the drive order.
>
> First things to check:
>
> Do you have a USB drive plugged in?  A camera, ipod, memory card, or
> thumb drive may all have this affect on some BIOS.  Unplug them before
> powering on the system and you might boot normally.
>
> Did you add an internal hard drive since the last time you booted?
> Did you make any modifications to the BIOS since the last time you booted?
> Did the BIOS battery expire and force you to hit F1 to continue the boot
> process?
>
> All of these factors, and more, can cause the BIOS to report a different
> drive order to grub.
> Only in the case of a new drive should you be forced to fix the MBR, and
> then only if the BIOS insists on calling the new drive a lower order
> than the existing one.
>
> To repair the MBR:
>
> boot a rescue CD
> # chroot /mnt/sysimage
> # grub-install /dev/sda
>
> On some systems, it has been necessary to use old arguments:
>
> # grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/sda
>
> # exit
>
> That should do it.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:59:40 +0100
> From: "Paul Smith" <phhs80 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID:
> <6ade6f6c0807090959m323949een1432bf0c9e7121d8 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Dear All,
>
> Could you please suggest to me a Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug:
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2254
>
> The extension Unplug does not work with Firefox 3.0, unfortunately.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:00:43 -0400
> From: William Case <billlinux at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!?
> To: Bruno Wolff III <bruno at wolff.to>
> Cc: Fedora List <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1215622843.12233.75.camel at CASE>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Thanks Bruno;
>
> On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 11:21 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:15:19 -0400,
>>   William Case <billlinux at rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Has anyone found a really annoying, really persistent alarm program 
>> > or
>> > applet that can find you anywhere?  What, from your personal 
>> > experience,
>> > would you recommend?
>>
>> Put a shutdown command in crontab. That should get your attention.
>
> Great idea!  No, no really.
>
> Ever since I got your post, I have been chuckling to myself over the
> image of how mad I would be at myself if I actually put it into
> operation.
>
> I just might try it!
>
> -- 
> Regards Bill;
> Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2
> Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:05:02 -0700
> From: Dan Thurman <dant at cdkkt.com>
> Subject: Re: F9: Problem with Services tool
> To: For users of Fedora-List <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4874EFBE.7070401 at cdkkt.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>>
>> Somehow, the system-conf-services tool stopped working.
>> Starting this brings up the tool, it hangs with a blank list
>> and 'No services selected' in a greyed out right panel.
>>
>> I tried to remove and reinstall system-conf-services but
>> it does not help.
>>
>> What can I do to fix this?
>>
> Why hasn't anyone responded?  I have been working on trying to figure
> out this
> tough nut and cannot understand WHY system-config-services is not working!
>
> Can someone please give me a pointer in the right direction, short of
> re-installing
> F9?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:09:23 -0400
> From: "Nat Gross" <nat101l at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: How long does it take Anaconda to write / format new
> partition table (F9)
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID:
> <cf66298c0807091009m48ff63a7s822dff62dde312d0 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Nat Gross <nat101l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Alan Cox <alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>>> However. Anaconda does not.
>>>> Anyhow the error Anaconda is giving me now is: could not stat
>>>> "/dev/mapper/nvidia_hbhfegci".
>>>
>>> It saw it and then something went wrong.
>> It allowed me the choice of software to install.
>> I went thru the details, it started the normal install pkg x of y and
>> after a few minutes, stopped cold.
>> The subsequent attempts does not get that far. It hangs at the
>> "formatting" display message.
>>>
>>>> When I choose cancel twice, it continues and shows me both drives
>>>> available for install.
>>>> Regardless if I choose the 1st, 2nd, or both, it hangs cold in the the
>>>> middle of "formatting".
>>>> Do I need a special driver for this drive controller? How do I get
>>>> Anaconda to see it (if and when I find such a driver)?
>>>
>>> You don't. It should just work. What else is on the same controller and
>>> do you have > 4GB RAM ?
>> On the same controller I have a TSST CDDVDW TS-H653N dvd/cd drive.
>> In Vista Device Manager--->Storage Controllers it shows:
>> 1. Microsoft iSCSI initiator.
>> 2. NVIDIA nForce RAID Controller.
>> 3. NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller.
>> Right-clicking Properties for 1 & 2 simply displays software driver 
>> stuff.
>> Right-clicking Properties for 3, also brings up 6 additional tabs,
>> port 0-port5, with 0 & 1 for the drives, and 2 for the cd/dvd.
>>
>> Ram. Yes. 6 gig of ram.
>>
> =======>>> SOLVED! <<<===================================
> It has been a while and due to this problem I have tried *many* distros.
> (My first time straying from Red Hat flavor, due to this problem.)
> Although some distros actually complete the install, they were also
> UNUSABLE due to cold-hangs in middle working. Then, by mistake, I
> installed a 32 bit version of a distro whose 64 bit version was giving
> me problems, and .... voila!, no problems.
>
> I figured, why not redo the entire thing with Fedora 9 32 bit? I did.
> Everything went smoothly, including the install, automatic dmraid,
> automatic using nVidia Raid (fake) drivers, etcetera. (I did not
> install kde because the installer does not differentiate between kde 3
> or kde 4.) System came up, yumed it up, and has been performing rock
> solid for about a week now. (Some audio problems, but thats another
> story.)
>
> So, it seems like a KERNEL problem (tried many distros) for 64 bit
> systems with more than 4GB ram.
> (Or is it the queer 6GB ram boundary? 8 GB would have been ok?)
> Since 32 bit systems use 4GB max, there is no problem.
> I tested all the ram with extended tests and it passed, so hardware is ok.
>
> As a side-note, the Livna repos for nVidia for Fedora 9 is a godsend.
> Hope this helps... and somehow gets me closer to utilize all my ram.
> nat
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:15:29 -0400
> From: "Deron Meranda" <deron.meranda at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse
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> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Thomas Kappelmueller
> <tkappelmueller at thomas-krenn.com> wrote:
>> I completely solved this problem by doing this:
>> "yum install xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd"
>
> I can't use the radeonhd driver because it doesn't support or
> detect my card.  The radeonhd only detects R5xx/R6xx based
> cards, so radeonhd is not an alternative for the radeon driver
> unless you happen to have a card which is in the overlap
> of the supported list.
>
> Reading the man page for radeonhd(4), it says that the
> driver doesn't yet support 2-D acceleration!  So I suspect
> that may have more to do with its apparent stability for you
> than it being a different driver.  As so far it seems that all
> the hanging problems we've seen appear to have something
> to do with 2-D acceleration.
>
> Strangely, I had been using the original radeon driver
> (without disabling any features) for about 2 weeks and it
> has not hung on me like it used to do frequently.  I had
> started X via startx command, and not run level 5.
> (Incidentally, startx seems to work fine except it doesn't pick
> up any customized key mappings.  I for instance set my
> caps lock to be ctrl.  Starting via gdm uses my settings, but
> via startx does not... any ideas?)
>
> However I finally rebooted today (into run level 5) and then
> Xorg hung within 5 minutes...I wasn't even using the mouse,
> I just had a single terminal window open that was tail'ing
> a log file (and hence was scrolling text on its own).
>
> There were a lot of X and Gnome related RPM updates
> pushed today for Fedora 9; so I installed them all and will
> see if that makes any difference.
>
> -- 
> Deron Meranda
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:17:48 -0400
> From: Don Levey <fedora-list at the-leveys.us>
> Subject: Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR?
> To: phil at themeyerfarm.com, For users of Fedora
> <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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> Phil Meyer wrote:
>> Don Levey wrote:
>>> My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when
>>> I ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get
>>> is:
>>>
>>>     GRUB
>>>
>>> at the top left of my screen.  Does this mean I need to reinstall grub
>>> and the MBR?  I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems*
>>> OK from what I can tell.  Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>  -Don
>>>
>>
>> This condition occurs whenever the BIOS changes the drive order.
>>
>> First things to check:
>>
>> Do you have a USB drive plugged in?  A camera, ipod, memory card, or
>> thumb drive may all have this affect on some BIOS.  Unplug them before
>> powering on the system and you might boot normally.
>>
> I have an external drive *nearby* but not plugged in. Nothing else
> except the network cable is plugged in.
>
>> Did you add an internal hard drive since the last time you booted?
>> Did you make any modifications to the BIOS since the last time you 
>> booted?
>> Did the BIOS battery expire and force you to hit F1 to continue the boot
>> process?
>>
> No modifications at all.  But perhaps hitting F1 to "force"/reset the
> order would work?
>
>> All of these factors, and more, can cause the BIOS to report a different
>> drive order to grub.
>> Only in the case of a new drive should you be forced to fix the MBR, and
>> then only if the BIOS insists on calling the new drive a lower order
>> than the existing one.
>>
> OK, so it sounds like this shouldn't be necessary, but...
> I've just checked the BIOS; no changes or weirdness detected.  But
> clearly we're getting to the drive because it's at least *starting*
> grub, isn't it?
>
> I guess I'll try the MBR reinstall.  Thanks again!
>  -Don
>
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