****Re: ****Re: [OT] HELP!!! mail attack

Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au
Sun Mar 30 09:48:23 UTC 2008

On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 09:00 +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> I understand your concern with the loss of important emails, but
> consider this: Do you send and recieve faxes? If a fax cannot connect
> with the recipient, it queues the call and tries again in a random
> time.

If the sending fax is set up to do so...  It's by no means a certainty,
and analogies aren't a great way to argue a case about something else
that's specific.

> This is what happens with email. The server tries and if it can't
> connect because of a specific error sent back, it'll queue the email
> and try again later.

No, "should" happen, not "does" happen.

> Meanwhile, spam only gets attempted once and is rejected.

Perhaps, but that's by no means a given.  Spammers can resend, if they
want to.  They can, and usually do, exploit someone elses server, which
may resend.

> So all your important emails WILL get through, because the service is
> legitimate.

*May* get through.

> Having seen this in my work in an ISP, as well as knowing
> telecommunications technologies, lets me know that this does work.

Having seen the system fail to work in the manner some people believe it
works, I know that it's a false belief.

> And once your clients have sent you an email they get whitelisted,
> plus you can add them manually as well.

a.  I've certainly seen cases where it's very obvious that you don't get
whitelisted.  i.e. Weeks and weeks of messages that don't get through.

b.  Most people will not be able to add things, because they make use of
someone else's server, that they can't configure.  i.e. The senders and
recipients ISPs'.

(This computer runs FC7, my others run FC4, FC5 & FC6, in case that's
 important to the thread.)

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