updateing ARGHH

R. G. Newbury newbury at mandamus.org
Tue Jan 20 20:31:52 UTC 2009

Subject: Re: updateing ARGHH.
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 13:55 -0500, R. G. Newbury wrote:
 > > Ok so here's what 'yum' thinks...
 > >  > > ffmpeg-libs-0.4.9-0.52.20080908.fc10.i386 : Libraries for ffmpeg
 > >  > > Repo        : installed
 > >  > > Matched from:
 > >  > > Other       : Provides-match: libavcodec.so.51
 > >  >I'm just not the sharpest tool in the shed I guess 'cuz I'm 
 > >
 > > I've been ARGGHH'd too. Try a 'rpm --force install 
ffmpeglibs...rpm' etc.
 > >
 > > This is effectively a re-install of the rpm *and* updates the 
 > > (And doesn't attempt, like 'yum remove', to remove every package which
 > > depends upon the one being (re)installed,
 > no wonder you like to run GUI as root...

I don't run yumex. And yes, I run yum as root. Saves typing.

 >It may be common practice for you to use --force or --nodeps in your 
 >own package management but it's a whole 'nuther thing to recommend 
your >bad habits to others who might be less skilled or eager to try to 
 >repair a damaged set of packages.

I think I have had actually had to use --force about twice in four 
years, in some circumstance where part of a package was messed up but 
the system didn't' know that.

 >It was clear that the OP installed rpm's from Axel Thimm's repository
 >but does not have it configured so it can't update. The choice is left
 >to OP to either remove the packages he got from the other repository 
 >and replace them with the packages from rpm-fusion or add atrpms and 
disable rpm-fusion repos. Either way, he doesn't need to do something as 
drastic or potentially as damaging as '--force'

Well, if it is so clear, when didn't you point out that he needed to 
enable rpmfusion and update ffmpeg. It was NOT entirely clear in this 
thread what was enabled and thus available to complete the update. (I'll 
admit it took me a minute to remember that ffmpeg is available at both 
atrpms and rpmfusion and not on fedora repos.) And, of course, if atrpms 
was enabled and rpmfusion not, using any switch with yum and a named 
package would produce only an error result, except in the disastrous 
case that the package exists on both sites. (But even then, the names do 
generally differ enough that you can differentiate them whether you are 
running as root or as user.)

And yes, running update with *anything* other than the fedora repo's 
enabled is extremely dangerous. And running yum with both atrpms and 
rpm-fusion enabled at the same time is playing russian roulette with 5 
chambers filled.

Craig, if you took the time to rethink your desire to jump on comments 
like an attack dog and rephrased them to be personally neutral, you 
might not get called names in response. Your ad-hominem attacks on me 
don't make you look any better, nor any smarter. And to be blunt, I have 
been insulted by better people than you. You comments are petty and not 
even pedantic and not helpful. You do not explain why --force is *so* 
bad. You just want to trash me. That does not help the OP, which is the 
reason he posted in the first place.

Who at least tries to help when he posts.

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