NM: the usual rant

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Timothy Murphy <gayleard at eircom.net> wrote:

> From: Timothy Murphy <gayleard at eircom.net>
> Subject: Re: NM: the usual rant
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 11:51 AM
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
> 
> >> I'm having problems with NM again.
> >> I often have to re-boot once or twice before it
> connects.
> > 
> > It's probably a bug in your network (wireless?)
> driver rather than NM.
> > What driver are you using?
> 
> orinoco_cs .
> My impression is that NM does not wait long enough at some
> point,
> which if true could be reported in normal English.
> 
> ... 
> >> Surely Linux error messages should be intelligible
> >> by the common user?
> >> Or are they intended solely for gurus?
> 
> > They're intended solely for driver developers,
> there's nothing you can do
> > about these errors anyway if you're not a kernel
> driver developer. Just
> > file a bug against the network driver you're
> using.
> 
> In the good old days one could understand why They said
> "error 478",
> because space was so short.
> Nowadays everyone has acres of space.
> Even if the kernel error messages are kept secret,
> I think the NM messages, "stage 6 -> stage 7",
> etc,
> could be made intelligible with very few extra bytes.
> Eg "Contacted dhcp server. Response: unknown
> device."
> This would at least suggest where to look.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Timothy Murphy  
> e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
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> Ireland
> 
> 
> -- 

Take a look at output of dmesg and/or tail -f /var/log/messages

Usually, you will get a more detailed description of what is going on :)

Regards,

Antonio