was: Still no kmod for new nvidia- now: so Move On

Roger arelem at bigpond.com
Tue Aug 3 01:12:10 UTC 2010

Given the reality, that users bought computers which Linux supported 
only a few years ago, and in some cases paid extra to get computers 
which ran Linux, it really sends a message to have that hardware become 
unsupported two years later. Thanks guys. Hand MSFT a big bag of FUD 
about "will Linux even run on your computer by the time it's depreciated 
or paid for?" Sadly, for once it's true.

Why in the world would someone pay more for  computer to run Linux?

For the reasons expounded in
I personally have no reason to go past Fedora 11 and nvidia for Blender
I could not get radeon to work well at all so swapped for an nvidia 
GT8600, now years old but works very well.

However I'm at a loss to understand the reasoning that if Gnome and a 
few other 2D apps work then things are good. A strange notion which 
simply doesn't hold water.

If 3D was not an absolute necessity  then I'm certain that nvidia and 
the other video card designers would not waste time and money developing 
it and trying to eliminate competition (linux).

My simplistic notion #1 --Get 3d working first and 2d apps shouldn't be 
a problem. They're basically a single layer in a 3d environment.
The next step would be to have other 2D app GUIs  running in the layers 
above or below the visible layer. Then users can switch between layers 
to use a chosen app. Except when using Blender.

The current focus is on making graphics work for as many ppl as possible
first, then 3D is always further down the list, this is just common

Open source will never be all things to all people so I cannot agree 
with the above contention.
The priority to make graphics work on a very small variety of the most 
widely available fairly modern cards seems to be a way to move forward. 
The problem is that no cards work well in Open source3D.
Like with printers and scanners, many of which are crappy in Linux, 
couldn't the open source gurus focus on a very small range (say 2 or 3) 
of well known mid capability video card, get them firing on all 3D 
cylinders then promote those as the Linux / Open Source approved cards.
It won't suit the 3D games people, high end power users but can help 
toward a solution for we who need to use Blender, and there are, I 
believe, thousands of us.

Current priorities are:

0) you aren't running a binary driver - if so no priority for you.

a) Can you see stuff on the screen at install/boot?
b) can you run GNOME desktop in reasonably useful manner? i.e. firefox
runs okay, no glitches, major slowdowns etc.
c) can you suspend/resume?
d) can you run compiz/gnome-shell?
e) can you run non-Gnome desktops at reasonable speed? (yes we have to
prioritise gnome over KDE, it sucks but thats life)
f) does misc 3D application run?

  Pardon me but it's got to be a joke, can't be serious.
(a) was priority 30 years ago
(b,c,d) priority10-15 years ago
(e)  6-10 years ago
As for (0) I haven't a clue what that means or how it should affect 3D 
modelling and animation.

My simplistic notion #2.
Video card design is well known and pretty standard, so why can't an 
Open source electronics genius assemble a competent 3D video card for 
global Linux 3D power users?  Yep it's only a few hundred thousand 
cards, maybe a couple of million but has anyone researched the 
If so what was the outcome?
What are the barriers?
Could it be used to raise funds for further development?
Does anyone care?

Questioning whether Open source people are genuine  because they are 
forced into untidy concessions doesn't help. We are.

my 2c worth

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