Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day

James McKenzie jjmckenzie51 at earthlink.net
Wed Aug 18 04:03:28 UTC 2010

Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Remember the old joke GIF image, with the box which said
>   you have moved your mouse
>   in order for this change to be effective you must reboot your system
> It's getting so keeping systems up to date with current patches is 
> incompatible with reasonable uptime goals. More and more upgrades 
> require a reboot, and even reading the CVE data behind the update it's 
> not always possible to tell if a fix is urgent. I'd like to encourage a 
> bit more detail in the info with the upgrade, and a little more thought 
> about what can be done to reduce reboots.
> More operations are specifying maximum outage figures, running 7x24, and 
> running things which have long run times and bad checkpoint code.
> At least two companies are done with reminding people to shut off the 
> desktop overnight, they are putting cloud software on desktops and using 
> cloud tech to offload mainframes. Not just new tech such as SETI at home 
> and folding use, but things like PVM. I was admin of a PVM group 21 
> years ago, but people are still using it.
> To some extent RHEL suffers from this as well, though systems seem to 
> have fewer and more stable things running.

And some companies are moving to thin clients and applications hosting 
on XenServer and XenApp riding on RHAS/RHEL with a Windows Guest(s) on top.

Saves a bunch of money, makes cleaning up viruses easier (just 
reboot/reimage/clean up data) and really lowers TCO.  The real PITA is 
that this system requires six sigma uptime (99.9999%)  and really 
complex networking/data center operation.  However, once running it is 
much easier to deal with than 6,000 desktops running who knows what 
version of Windows...

Just a though folks.  Fedora is (mostly) NOT for running a real time 
system.  RHEL/Centos is.

I've been through this discussion before but I have the EAR of RedHat (I 
work in an office that runs, literally, 500 RHEL/RHAS servers).  They 
are the one that said this, when Fedora was introduced.  I ran RH 
7.1-9.1, FC 1-4 and then moved to a Mac.  Due to my work on several FOSS 
projects, I am back trying to install Fedora 13.  This has all the 
appearances of being a real no-go.  I will try to get CentOS 5.5 
installed on it using information gained here and see where this goes.  
I need a stable 'table'  and I'm not enamored with Ubuntu (it makes 
Fedora look polished by comparison.)

You folks are great, but when you run bleeding edge beta software, it is 
going to break every once in while and picking up the pieces can and is 
a real bother.

Rule of thumb:  If you can afford to loose it, run Fedora.  If you 
cannot and it absolutely has to be as close to 100%, run RedHat Linux.

James McKenzie

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