authentication issues in system settings

[James Mckenzie]

Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  On 10/18/10 11:08 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
>> Good reason not to jump on someone for reporting what on the surface looks like a problem with FC14.  Maybe asking for additional information is in order before we direct someone to the test list (hmmm?)  Remember, we may want to know about little niggles in FC14 when it is released in two weeks and the work-arounds for them.  Not nice to find out that something is broken on GA day for both the developers and users.  We don't want to emulate several large software companies in that manner.
>Sorry James, but if something is reported specifically and exclusively 
>against a prerelease version, the Test list is the appropriate forum. In 
>this case it appears that the problem also exists in F13, but the OP 
>didn't say that and I don't think it's reasonable to expect most list 
>members to be aware of it. Furthermore, a polite reminder is not 
>"jumping on" someone. No offence is intended and I hope none taken.

I didn't say that I was offended.  If it is plain that the problem is in a test version, we direct.  If it is not, we could always ask a few more questions to define what is 'broken'.  If, through the questions it in RawHide/Alpha/Beta to the RawHide or test list they go.  If not, then we can always assist, if only to state 'it's broken here' and to file a bug report.
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>People who are going to be early adopters of the test version should 
>already be reading the Test list anyway, and those who prefer to wait 
>should not have to deal with the noise. Otherwise, why don't we just 
>have a single all-purpose Fedora list and be done with it?
>
I totally agree with this.  If you are going to run a test version, you should be subscribed to the test list, if only to find out what others have found as broken and to help test problem fix(es).  Failure to subscribe to the test list looks to be a problem, and should be required prior to downloading the test version.  Subscribing/unsubscribing to lists is not a major task.

Your reply is definitely resonable and well thought out.  Some folks just scream at other people, and it does not make this list look very professional.  If we have to 'smoke' someone out, we should take it to private e-mail which should not be brought back to the list unless permission is requested and given.

James McKenzie