Not enough info, so no point

n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 at
Fri Jun 3 11:52:56 UTC 2011

On 06/03/2011 11:58 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Friday 03 June 2011 09:03:15 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>> I can understand why you suggest that, but why does Fedora 14 work? The
>> failure appears to occur during the kernel start up and Fedora 15 has a
>> newer kernel, for Live CD, install DVD, and actual installation, and all
>> fail appear to fail during kernel start up. Perhaps after Fedora 15 has
>> the next kernel update another install will work.
> The only scenario that I can imagine, where this kind of thing would be
> possible (F14 working cleanly, F15 failing completely), would be some change
> in the kernel (that goes with F15) which doesn't handle some obscure piece of
> hardware or combination of pieces, that only a small percentage of people
> might have (ie. only you).
> I remember from one of your previous posts that you have a SCSI controller and
> some device attached in your machine (it was also visible in your smolt
> profile, IIRC). What is that and what do you have attached there?
> I can suggest the following. Disconnect the SCSI device and try the F15 Live
> KDE. Does it work? If not, please send some info on where and how it stops
> (take a picture of the screen, write down what you see on a paper and retype
> in an e-mail, whatever). Continue disconnecting all unnecessary hardware. The
> only thing you *need* in a machine is memory, one hard disk, one CD/DVD drive
> and a video card (and obvious stuff --- a motherboard, processor, power supply,
> keyboard and monitor). Remove everything else, and try to boot the F15 Live
> KDE.
> If it still doesn't work, it is either a BIOS problem or your hardware is
> somehow broken in some very weird way (which I doubt, since F14 manages to
> work). You may want to try resetting the BIOS to the default/failsafe values,
> to see if that helps.
> If at any step you manage to boot cleanly into the F15 Live KDE, install it on
> the hard disk, reboot into it, do a yum update to fetch all the updates, and
> then start reconnecting other devices one by one. If the system stops booting
> at any point, you have found the culprit. If your system keeps working after
> you have reattached everything, most probably the updates fixed whatever the
> problem was.
> A very important point --- *please* send us *detailed* information on where,
> how and what fails to work. If you don't have the technical skills to explain
> the details yourself, take a photo of a screen with a failed boot attempt, and
> post it. You can use a camera built into your mobile phone (or ask a friend
> for one), and you can use a working F14 to put it online.
> The boot procedure of a Linux system is very complicated, and it can fail in
> many different ways. If you just say "it doesn't work", noone on this list can
> even begin to guess what might be wrong. At the very least you can tell us
> what was the final message written on the screen after which the system froze
> or self-restarted.
> And a social note. As you have seen --- bitching that something doesn't work,
> not providing detailed info, and posting general advice to people to stay away
> from F15 because it doesn't boot on your system --- will only provoke other
> people on this list to label you as a troll and give up on helping you. This
> is a Bad Idea(tm), since you've already driven away most of the knowlegeable
> people with that kind of behavior. If you want to ask for help to solve some
> problem, be polite and cooperative. If you want to vent and bitch that
> something doesn't work as you expect, and give advice to others to stay away
> from something, make a blog and post there, instead of posting on this list.
> This is a "please help me solve a problem"-type list, and "I have a lousy
> experience and a bad opinion"-type posts are not accepted well and rather
> belong on your personal blog.
> HTH, :-)
> Marko

Well I agree that my opinion posts were made out of frustration, wrongly.

If you look at some of my other posts here you will see that I have 
provided further details that detail that the Fedora 15 install DVD, 
Fedora 15 Live KDE CD, and a Fedora 15 install, (by other means), all 
fail in a similar manner, which appears to be requiring multiple SCSI 
reset bus, then core dump, and shows various Advansys calls.

Also both Fedora 15 install DVD and Fedora 15 Live KDE CD both passed 
the check disk.

Lastly, I do appreciate people trying to help, but some of the 
suggestions were not actually possible. Yet I was accused of not trying 
those suggestions, and it appears to me that they may have been 
selective in the posts they chose to read. Regardless of that I've moved 
on and as you may have seen I have managed to create a much more useful 
method to  help determine the problem, (thanks in part to JD).

I should also point out I have tried at no time been rude about anyone, 
whether that been name calling or other rude implications. If people do 
offer support, that is generous of them, but perhaps they should show 
more patience. I have experience providing support dealing with angry 
people and do you think being rude in reply would have helped?

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