Paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3

[Mike Wright]

On 06/20/2011 05:38 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote:
> On 06/20/2011 03:00 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>>
>>>> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
>>>> seen discussed on this list.
>>
>>> I too noted the mouse deprecation in Gnome 3.  Besides
>>> alienating a large group of users who simply prefer using
>>> the mouse over the keyboard when there is a choice, ....
>>
>> Do you people actually work with Gnome 3.
>
> Yes.  Been using it every day for almost two weeks now.
>
>> If you are a versatile mouse user I suspect that you can
>> actually work just as fast with the mouse as with the keyboard.
>> Jab the pointer in the upper left corner, click on an app in the
>> dash or swerve to the right and click on 'applications', click on the
>> app you need if you see it immediately in this monstrous platoon
>> of icons, or go even further to the right and select a category
>> (Acessories, Games, etc) and click on an icon there to open an
>> app.
>
> Exactly my complaint.  Up to the top right corner to
> get the overview, click the Applications button.  Then,
> from the left side of the screen, a wild, nearly full
> width traverse over to the right side to select a
> category, then back again to the left side of the
> screen to select the icon if it happens to be on the
> left.

6 weeks with gnome3 and my left wrist is in a splint.  Not going to 
gamble with my only other arm...

>
> Compare that to Gnome 2 where I go to the left side
> of the screen and click Applications, move the mouse
> an inch or two to select a category in the menu, move
> another inch or two to select the app.
>
> Why at least couldn't the Categories list (and scroll
> bar) in Gnome 3 be to the left of the icons so that
> one encounters it "on the way"?
>
> Same with workspaces -- up to the extreme left corner,
> then all the way to the extreme right side of the
> screen to show the WS summary.  Now I'm presented
> with a bunch of mini-images of workspaces.
> Which has the window I want?  Can't tell because
> all the windows are overlapping.  Take best guess
> an select one.  Now I can see which windows are
> in the WS.  But damn, they are all white Terminal
> windows or similar that look the same.  Squint and
> see if I can identify some familiar text.
>
> Eventually, possibly after a couple wrong guesses
> I find the window I wanted.
>
> I am not anti-Gnome 3 -- I am really making an effort
> to work with it.  But most everything I've read here
> recommends avoiding the crazy back and forth mouse
> movements by using keyboard shortcuts and as I said
> that is not a preferable option for many people.
> And even ignoring that there are issues like finding
> windows in WS as described.  (There are also some real
> WTF things like why is the "not found" message presented
> on the left side of the screen far from the text search
> box on the right side?)
>
>> When the app is open you jab the mouse pointer in the upper
>> left corner again, select the app with the mouse pointer and drag
>> it to a workspace, etc. You have everything you ever had, point
>> and click, drag and drop, just in a slightly different desktop
>> arragement.
>
> But one that requires far more mouse motion and clicks
> than Gnome 2 to do the same operation.
>
>> From poking around in the Gnome 3 design docs it is
> becoming clear to me that no one has actually done
> any real usability testing on Gnome 3 or quantitative
> comparisons to Gnome 2.
>
>> [...]
>> So on the whole there is no paradigm of keyboard use and Gnome 3 is
>> certainly not advertised as such. Read the 'Desktop Help' under the
>> ring buoy icon and pay no attention to 'misunderstood marketing jargon
>> and hype' and 'biased reporting of opinioted users'.
>> Experience it honestly for yourself.
>
> I have.  And that's why I responded in this thread.