F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

Craig White craigwhite at azapple.com
Tue Oct 11 04:21:15 UTC 2011

On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 11:43 -0700, JD wrote:
> On 10/10/2011 11:16 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > On 10/10/2011 11:36 PM, JD wrote:
> >
> >> But that argues against your own argument that
> >> a script will contain bugs. Of course it will - every
> >> software ever written had them, and will have them.
> > yes.  so why is replacing one program with bugs with another script with
> > bugs considered a solution?  It isn't
> Preupgrade is not a single operation solution. The
> user is expected to know several complex operations
> and execute them in right order.
perhaps if you actually ran 'preupgrade' you would discover that you
don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.
> A yum upgrade script would be a single point solution
> that a user could run. If problems, then user could report
> the results, along with a log file that a script could leave
> behind. That is a very desirable solution for all non-techies
> and newbs.
again... not a clue what you are talking about.
> >> Also, you yourself said that upgrading via yum is
> >> a very complex process:
> >>   >  Upgrading a distribution is a fairly complex process to say the least.
> >>
> >> So, by virtue of that statement itself, non-techies and
> >> newbs most certainly need such an expertly written script(s).
> > Scripts are not going to magically make things easier.  Scripting is far
> > more likely to be fragile as well.  I didn't say yum upgrades are
> > complex.  I said upgrades are complex.
> That is a very interesting opinion which ignores the fact
> that scripts are easier to fix than binaries.
> With so many scripts which are running the system,
> then by your argument they should all be abandoned
> because you opine that they are fragile and thus unreliable
> and thus the whole system is unreliable.
> Fear of possible bugs is no reason for rejecting a much needed
> solution.
> It seems to me that so many people invest so much steam
> into their opinion, that they find it hard to back off and admit
> that a proposed request for a solution is worth pursuing and
> implementing by the experts in the field for the benefit of all.
If you actually think you know what you are talking about and have any
skill whatsoever, then by all means, have at it.

I suppose it doesn't occur to you that your contention is entirely
without knowledge or merit.


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