F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

Craig White craigwhite at azapple.com
Tue Oct 11 04:24:21 UTC 2011

On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 12:40 -0700, JD wrote:
> On 10/10/2011 11:54 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > On 10/11/2011 12:13 AM, JD wrote:
> >
> >> Preupgrade is not a single operation solution. The
> >> user is expected to know several complex operations
> >> and execute them in right order.
> > Nonsense.  It is a point and click gui.
> >
> >> A yum upgrade script would be a single point solution
> >> that a user could run. If problems, then user could report
> >> the results, along with a log file that a script could leave
> >> behind. That is a very desirable solution for all non-techies
> >> and newbs.
> > I still cannot see you explaining what exactly is the problem a script
> > is supposed to solve.  Unless you have a good problem statement, you
> > have zero scope of a solution.
> >
> > Rahul
> Rahul,
> I tried preupgrade.
> I tried upgrade via DVD.
> I tried upgrade via yum according to
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum
> All of them failed to upgrade the system to full F16.
> Upgrading via all these methods left hundreds of
> F14 packages in place, even though they were
> installed via yum update from fedora updates
> repository, for which F16 updates were indeed
> identified by yum, but at the same time yum would
> then say "Not found".
> I had taken care to disable other repo files, such as
> rpmfusion, adobe, google, skype, atrpms so as not
> to get a whole bunch of errors unrelated to upgrading
> from fedora repos.
> So, if upgrading is such a complex and trouble
> prone operation, what should an ambassador's
> message to the world be regarding this issue?
> That it can be done but it is fraught with problems
> and dangers of rendering your system unreliable
> at best, and (in my case) leaves you with a corrupted
> rpm database and unable to login via the gnome login
> screen?
> I believe you and other fedora developers, and
> protagonists can and should do better to produce
> such a script/utility.
> As a side note:
> I also run several systems with various versions of
> windows - all of them have many third party software
> (kind of akin to fedora users installing form other rpm
> repos like fedorafusion and atrpms) - I have never
> run into such show stopper upgrade problems with
> these systems. Almost every upgrade failure was due
> to an undetected malware, or a disk having become marginal.
> Pls. do not misconstrue this. I am not trying to pit us
> against them. I am only saying that upgrading should
> be a completely trouble free operation, and that Fedora
> devs can indeed fix this problem via a script or even
> as you say, a point and click solution, which in it's
> current incarnation, does not work.
preupgrade has worked for me in the past but my /boot isn't large enough
any more.

I have used my USB disk and yum upgrade methods when upgrading Fedora
for the last several versions... they all have worked.

If they don't work for you then perhaps your methodology leaves your
system in a state where no upgrade method has a chance of succeeding.

Of course there's always making bug reports if things don't work as


This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.

More information about the users mailing list