Power-off stupidity remains in Gnome 3

[Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I]

As I see it, Fedora is head & shoulders above "Windows "X" crowd! It 
might not be pretty, or as effective as something that's existed before, 
but for the money (NONE!..LoL!) Fedora is AWESOME! I too had to get used 
to the Gnome  3 desktop environment, but I now LOVE it! I move around in 
it intuitively and sometimes without even having to concentrate! Then 
when I have to get on my brothers laptop, running Windows 7....I'm LOST! 
LoL! The developers can only please SO many people before it starts to 
get out of hand. Imagine if just a few users complained about something 
in Gnome, and the developers changed it, then the MAJORITY complained 
about the change, and the developers "put it back", then yet ANOTHER 
group of people complained about something ELSE......see how this would 
be a never ending wheel of insanity!?




EGO II





On 06/15/2012 09:21 AM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:
> On 06/15/2012 05:00 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
>
>> I'm not actually entirely convinced. I do have a bugzilla account on
>> Gnome, I can go and email the list there. However, the model where I
>> decide (me and a few thousand other people) that I don't like one
>> particular minor feature of Gnome and should go to their mailing list,
>> sign up to send one email moaning about it and never show up again
>> doesn't strike me as the best method. Fedora, it has been pointed out,
>> is the distro that pushes new gnome. If the Fedora maintainers have a
>> good relationship with gnome then perhaps they can more productively
>> pass on the message 'actually our users have a big problem with this,
>> please reconsider' than a horde of Fedora users descending on the
>> gnome development list. Especially since the gnome people do sometimes
>> seem to think individual users opinions a bit irrelevant.
>
> It might be possible to get the Fedora developers to behave as user 
> advocates before some other group of developers, though I don't think 
> that this role is part of the job description of developer, nor 
> otherwise natural to it.
>
> Whether we have N users complaining here or N users complaining on the 
> Gnome development list, we are still talking about N users 
> complaining.  So it really isn't a choice of a bunch of users 
> complaining here versus a solitary user complaining there. Granted 
> that an audience might irrationally discount N individual complaints, 
> yet attend to a summary statistic from some third party; but they 
> might also irrationally discount a summary statistic while being moved 
> by N individual complaints.
>
> However, as I noted in an earlier message, the Gnome shell developers 
> designed shell 3 with the idea that users have been doing things the 
> wrong way, as opposed to designing it in service to the way that users 
> want to do things. (If you doubt that claim, then please review an 
> archive of their mailing list.) This isn't simply a matter of not 
> taking some particular user as unrepresentative; it is a matter of 
> trying to re-engineer the typical user.  "Our users are unhappy with 
> <behaviour>" would not seem to be a persuasive argument to them.
>
> I'd be rather distressed were I to learn that the Fedora developers 
> had a comfortable relationship with the Gnome developers.
>
>> This list is a good place to discuss and say 'this works well on
>> Fedora' or 'this doesn't work well on Fedora'.
>
> Yes, but that's certainly not the same thing as seeking to have it 
> modified for Fedora users.
>
>> If there's no effective place to try and get Fedora fixed...
>
> ...then it might be time to change distributions.
>
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