An apology is required from me

[Daniel]

On 06/22/2012 08:10 AM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
> On 06/20/2012 11:01 AM, Daniel wrote:
>>
>> Your fatigue would largely have been avoided had the Gnome
>> developers  proceeded differently.  So perhaps you should complain
>> to them. ;-)
>
> Wow.  The arrogance in that statement is rather astounding.

Wow.  Your resort to personally attacking me is rather astounding, as 
also is your imputing arrogance to my making a point of pure logic.

> You
> seriously believe that I should complain to the Gnome developers
> because there are people on a mailing list that is only tangentially
> related to Gnome who can't stop beating a dead horse?

No.  I actually don't believe that you should complain to anyone.  I 
don't believe that you should complain to the developers of Gnome; I 
don't believe that you should complain on this list about those who 
have a problem with Gnome; I don't believe that you should complain on 
this list with those who believe that Gnome should not be the default 
choice of Fedora.  I don't see how it is that you imagine that the 
second group is beating a dead horse and yet you are not.  I don't see 
how you think that the third group is beating a dead horse.

In any event, I see the second and third groups as trying to move a 
horse whom they believe to be alive, whereas I don't know what you 
might think that you're doing, but it doesn't look like an attempt to 
be helpful.

>  1. No discussion on this list will likely ever impact Gnome
>     development.  Go to the gnome devel list for that.

I made that point a while back, more than once.  But those in the 
third group are trying to effect Fedora's relationship to Gnome, given 
its development arc.

>  2. The only likely scenario in which discussions on this list will
>     impact Fedora development is if one of the development team also
>     reads this list and takes it upon themselves to follow up on the
>     Fedora devel lists.

And even then, such a developer is unlikely to heed the cries.  But 
under what scenario do you imagine that people here will respond to 
_your_ demands?

>  3. The vast majority of users of Fedora, whether or not they use
>     Gnome, could not care less about your opinions on the Gnome
>     development process, and do get tired of the repetition, and
>     telling them that it is their fault is insulting.

I'd like to see your polling data.  I'd like to see polling dats that 
shows that the majority of users _do_ care about most of the threads 
on this list.  I'd like to see polling data that shows that those 
complaining about Gnome are going to respond to your demands that they 
cease.