humble suggestion to Fedora developers

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 01/31/2013 04:44 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 01/27/2013 06:15 PM, Lailah wrote:
>> El vie, 25-01-2013 a las 22:40 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik escribió:
>>> Joe Zeff wrote:
>>> > On 01/25/2013 12:46 PM, James Freer wrote:
>>> >> LOL - good reply! I must admit i do get fed up with the twin names. In
>>> >> the Precise version... it was very much IMprecise. Just too many bugs
>>> >> now to be worth using.
>>> >
>>> > It often seems to me that they're too concerned about making their names
>>> > cute for my taste, but I don't use it myself and keep my opinion to
>>> > myself for the most.  Now, alas, it's beginning to look like Fedora's
>>> > going down that path instead of marketing itself as a serious distro for
>>> > people who are more interested in how it works than in what it's called.
>>> >  Alas, from what I can see, unless I'm active as a Fedora dev (My
>>> > programming skills rusted away decades ago.) the only input I have to the
>>> > process is making suggestions.  None of us "mere users" have a vote.
>>>
>>> Trend which I see in my Linux "neighbourhood" is quite transparent -
>>> people switch from Fedora elsewhere: some of them to Centos, others
>>> to different distro, some leave Linux entirely. Perhaps nobody now
>>> is using Gnome3.

This matches with what I observe here. On my home network/personal 
machines, my way to survive was to switch my home-server to CentOS and 
to resort to Xfce as DE on Fedora clients.

>>> I myself was not afraid install Fedora at production workstations and
>>> servers, even in their beta phase - but it ended with F12-F13 (F14 was
>>> still good distro, but in beta phase there was unworkable systemd; in
>>> final release was upstart). And now I install Fedora not before several
>>> weeks after final releas - and for testing purposes only.
>>>
>>
>> Well, is curious...   I see the opposite situation.  People from other
>> distros  (especially Ubuntu)  dropping into Fedora.  May be a
>> geographic difference?

I'd guess, it's people being dissatisfied with what they are used to, 
now being on a "quest for the better".

  That said, from what I've heard and read, Ubuntu is in a similar 
crisis as Fedora. What is Gnome3 in Fedora seems to be Unity in Ubuntu 
(users turning away), what's the anaconda-disaster in F18 seems to be a 
general stability in Ubuntu 12.10.

> I'm pretty much stuck for the moment until I know 18
> is a little more stable...as for people "jumping ship" even though a few
> of the releases might have had a lot of bugs...I don't think I'll be
> leaving Fedora just yet...LoL! I will wait to see if things smooth out
> by like...19...maybe 20....

My 2 cents ... stability-wise, from what I've experienced so far, F17 
and F18 currently seem on par. Also, yum-upgrading existing F17 
installations to F18 went without many problems for me.

However, installing F18 probably is a completely different matters ;)

Ralf